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Soldier's Marriage
« on: Tuesday 15 August 06 01:00 BST (UK) »
Hello,
Can anyone help me to locate a marriage please. George Frost served with the 70th Regt. of Foot from 1833 until 1854. During his service he served in Gibraltar, Malta, Canada, West Indies & Bengal. In October 1844 his Regt returned to England (Manchester), briefly. In November 1845 his son, also George, was born at 61 Fleet St., Deansgate ,Manchester. On this birth cert. George snr. is named as father and the mother is given as Ellen Frost(formerly Jervis). I am trying to locate the marr. of George snr. & Ellen but cannot find them. Has anyone any suggestions where it would be best to search. Bearing in mind that I have no idea where Ellen was born or where she was living at the time of the marriage.
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Derek ???

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« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 15 August 06 11:05 BST (UK) »
Hi Derek

Can we presume that you already have some documents regarding Geo. Snr's service?  If so what was his birth year? and what his rank might have been around 1845?

Loads of ideas running thro my mind, but it would be good to know what you have already tried.....Census Records
 ... Overseas records of the GRO ???

Happy to help
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SCOTT ~ Monmouthshire & Glamorgan
BUCKLEY ~ Cork & Manchester
FRANKLIN ~ Clerkenwell, London
BRADY ~ Kildare & Manchester
DERICK ~ France
FRIEND ~ Kent & Portsmouth
TYLDESLEY ~ Lancashire
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« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 15 August 06 17:49 BST (UK) »
Hi Wendi,
I have George snrs. discharge papers. He was discharged in 1854 as a Chelsea pensioner. However none of the papers gives a clue re. next of kin. I have had a researcher looking at the SOG archives & she found nothing in GRO index, military marriages, overseas marriages & censuses. According to George jnr's birth cert. they were married when he was born in November 1845. He was born at 6 Fleet St., Deansgate, Manchester & there is a George Frost baptised on 25th Jan. 1846 at Manchester Cathedral, parents George Frost & Ellen. So it's a mystery whats happened to their marriage record. The only thing that I can think of is that it has been mis-transcribed as on the LDS site there is a marriage of WILLIAM Frost & Ellen Jervis married at the Cathedral on 26th Jan 1846. So is this the right marriage but mis transcribed & why is it after George jnr's birth/baptism?
I'm totally flummoxed by it!
Regards;
Derek ???

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« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 16 August 06 10:15 BST (UK) »
Hi Derek

What was George Snr's rank? it is possible that he married after Jnr was born.  If he was an NCO he would have had to get permission to marry, and marriage was not "encouraged"

I saw the marriage of William Frost & Ellen Jervis, but the index via http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ definitely says William :(

Have you considered asking Manchester Registry Office to check the actual register for you and a few years either side?  As you can see from the above website not all Marriages for 1843/44/45 have been transcribed yet.

The National Archives hold various regimental registers covering BMD's.  This is a link to their research guide

http://www.rootschat.com/links/index.php

have those been checked too?

Just a couple of ideas
Wendi :)

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FRANKLIN ~ Clerkenwell, London
BRADY ~ Kildare & Manchester
DERICK ~ France
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TYLDESLEY ~ Lancashire
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« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 16 August 06 15:17 BST (UK) »


Hi Derek !

There is a George Frost married Manchester 1845 ! but it doesn't give the wife's name !! Do you know his father's name ? you could order both marriage certificates and specify that you only want the certificate if the fathers name is on it !!

George Frost Manchester 20 /704 1845 J/A/S

and William and Ellen Jervis Manchester 20/458 1846 J/F/M

Two things come to mind

1. That they did married after the baby's birth !
2. William was his second name

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« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 16 August 06 19:07 BST (UK) »
Lancashire BMD http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/ has the 1845 marriage for George Frost Annie mentioned: he married Sarah W BRADSHAW at Manchester Cathedral.

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« Reply #6 on: Thursday 17 August 06 01:10 BST (UK) »
Hi Wendi, Annie & Rambler,
Thanks for the replies.George snr. was a private in 70th foot until 1854. As far as the Regimental postings go they never served in the Ionian islands though they did serve in both Malta & Gibraltar. The link to the N/A Archives doesn't work no matter how I try to shorten it. The Sarah Bradshaw lead is a no/no I think but I will follow up on the certs. , as I know his father's name was Jeremiah Frost who died in 1844. I will let you know how I go on from here. Thank you again.
Regards;
Derek ;)

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« Reply #7 on: Thursday 17 August 06 01:41 BST (UK) »


Medal roll for the Indian Mutiny 1857-1859

Frost
William
Colour Sergeant
70th Foot (Surrey)

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~clday/MutinyF.htm


Here's the movements of the 70th Foot !

1758.04.28   70th Regiment of Foot
    1759   England   
    1763   Ireland   
    1764   West Indies   
    1778.08   Nova Scotia: Halifax   garrison duty for duration
    1778   American revolution: southern campaign   (flank coys only)
    1783   Canada   
    1784   England   
    1787   Ireland   
    1793   West Indies   
    1795   England   
    1795   Gibraltar   
    1800   West Indies   
    1801   Channel Islands: Jersey   
    1801   England   
    1802   England   
    1803   West Indies   
    1812   Scotland   
    1813   Ireland   
    1813   Canada   
    1813   American war: Canadian frontier   
    1815   Canada   
    1827   Ireland   
    1834   Gibraltar   
    1836   Malta   
    1838   West Indies   
    1841   Canada   
    1843   England   
    1845   Ireland   
    1849   India   
    1857   Sepoy rebellion: NW Frontier   
    1858   India   
    1861   New Zealand   
    1863   Maori war   
    1866   England   
    1868   Ireland   
    1871   India   
    1878   Afghanistan   Candahar Column
       Afghanistan   Thull Chotiali Field Force
    1879   India   
    
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« Reply #8 on: Thursday 17 August 06 02:20 BST (UK) »
Didn't you have a Frost that was in the Navy DEKKAXX ??? does this guy look familiar ?

FROST, JAMES, ship’s captain, naval officer, and office holder; b. c. 1745, probably in England; m. Phoebe (Phebe) Wallen, and they had three children; d. 18 June 1803 at Quebec, Lower Canada.

James Frost’s career in Canada can be traced back only to 1775. At that time he was the owner and captain of the merchant ship Charlotte and probably lived at Quebec. Upon the American invasion of the province in 1775  he enlisted in the British forces and turned his ship over to Governor Guy Carleton, who armed it. In return Frost was appointed a first lieutenant in the marine forces and commander of the Charlotte. When his ship was laid up in the winter, Carleton named him first lieutenant to a detachment of seamen in the garrison of Quebec and he served in that capacity during the siege. In the spring of 1776, after reinforcements had arrived, the British forces struck out, pursuing the Americans to the frontier. Frost took part in the offensive as captain of the Charlotte but lost his ship in the rapids on the Richelieu.

Immediately after this unfortunate event Carleton entrusted Frost with the post of assistant to the master attendant, the officer responsible for building and fitting out ships for the British navy, at St Johns (Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu); because of its location this village would serve as port for the fleet that was to engage the American warships on Lake Champlain. In 1777 Frost was promoted master attendant and storekeeper at St Johns, thus becoming a naval staff officer.
Having discharged these duties for almost five years, Frost applied for the post of captain of the port of Quebec, which had become vacant with Peter Napier’s death but was also coveted by Lieutenant Richard Peter Tonge. On 21 Feb. 1782, because of his faithful service to the British armed forces since 1775 and the glowing recommendations of his superiors, Frost received the appointment from Governor Haldimand. Before taking office, however, he had to withdraw from all commercial affairs that might be incompatible with his new responsibilities. At that time the captain of the port of Quebec, together with the superintendent of pilots, had to enforce the regulations concerning pilotage on the St Lawrence and the laws regarding quarantine of ships calling at Quebec. In addition he was required to make and sign a collection of all the statutes and regulations concerning pilots and navigation and to have it printed and sold to every ship’s captain for a sum not to exceed five shillings. He also had sole authority to make decisions about the anchoring and mooring of ships in the port of Quebec. In 1787, at the request of Lord Dorchester [Carleton] Frost, whose competence was recognized, was consulted about the state of navigation on the St Lawrence and asked what improvements might be desirable. Frost’s successor to the office of port captain of Quebec, after his death on 18 June 1803, was François Boucher.
     
Since 1795 Frost had lived in a house on Rue Saint-Pierre in Quebec; this house, on a site fronting on the St Lawrence, had been purchased for £200. He left an estate of £2,050, including his residence, which was valued at £1,250.
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