Family of Henry and Margaret Phelps

[chris pentire]

Interested in any information about the family of Henry and Margaret Phelps.
Henry born in Street, Somerset in about 1820, and Margaret (no info on maiden name) born Bedwellty about 1826.

They lived in the Rhymney/Tredegar/Bedwellty area, although first two daughters Charlotte and Ann may have been born in Abergavenny. Other children include
Alfred, Eliza, Isaac, John and Mary.

[rhys]

Hello Chris
Are you looking for census details.

Rhys

[rhys]

Hello Chris
Daughter Charlotte is living with a Price family in
1861 and 1871. in 1871 she is described as Neice.
There is a possible marriage
December Quarter 1845
Abergavenny 26 49
Henry Phelps, Margaret Price.

Rhys

[chris pentire]

Hi Rhys - thanks for the Price connection. I had noted the 1861 census where Charlotte is noted as the general servant, but not the 1871 one where she is a niece. I'll also follow up the marriage lead.

Chris

[Meliora]

Hello, Chris

1851 census
HO107/2448  folio  512  page 4
16, Prices Lane, Bedwelty

Henry Phelps  age 32  Engine Stoker b Som.  Street
Margaret  wife  age 35        b  Mon Bedwelty
Charlotte  dau  age 4          b   ditto
Ann   dau   age 2              b     ditto

1861 census
RG9/4002  folio  32  page 7
15, Club Row, Bedwelty

Henry Phelps  age 43  Engine worker Ironworks  b  Son Street
Margaret  wife   age 36     b   Tredegar
Ann M.  dau  age 11     b   Rumney
John  son  age 9   b     ditto
Alfred  son  age 7  b    ditto
Isaac  son  age 5   b     ditto
Mary J.  du  age 6mths  b    ditto

Marriage
Henry Phelps  =  Margaret  Price
Dec ¼   1845  Abergvenny    26   49

Births
Charlotte
Dec ¼  1846  Abergavenny   26  40
Ann Martha
June  ¼  1849     ditto   26   46
John
June ¼  1851  Monmouth  XXVI  87
Alfred James
Sept. ¼  1854    ditto   11a  27
Isaac Price
Mar ¼  1857    Abergavenny  11a  96
Mary Jane
Sept.  ¼  1860      ditto    11a   108

Hope this helps,

Meliora

[chris pentire]

Thanks Meliora - the birthplaces of the children in relation to the places of residences on the censuses is confusing. They obviously moved around a fair bit

[Meliora]

Hello, Chris,

re. the places of birth for the Phelps children.

Are you thinking of the places of birth given in the 1961 census  i e   Rumney ?

I noticed that there is a distict of Rumney in Cardiff so I checked the enumerator's schedule for the 1861 census.
RG9/4002  folio 32  page 7

The heading is

Superintendent's Registration District...Abergavenny
Registrar's subdistrict...Tredegar
the schedule lists the places including Club Row in Rumney.

Further checks revealed that the Parish name is Bedwelty & the town is Rumney.

In trying to clarify this I have probably confused you even more.

re.  the places of registration for the children's births, Abegavenny & Monmouth are adjoining registration districts.

Meliora

[chris pentire]

Hi Meliora - we live in Cardiff, and I can confirm that there is a suburb (probably a separate village in the 1800's) of the city called Rumney, probably a corruption of Rhymney which was at the head of the Rhymney Valley, very close to Tredegar which was at the top of the adjoining Sirhowy Valley. The earlier census returns show the Phelps family as living in Uchlawrcoed which forms part of the eastern side of Rhymney.

It seems likely that Henry Phelps married Margaret Price, and we think that we have now established an Ann Price (her mum ?) living with an Isaac Price (her unmarried brother ?) in earlier censuses. Thanks for your help so far.

Chris.