1910 census look up please for Heron/Herron

[gladys1]

Please would some kind person do me a look up for William Heron born about 1850 England, his wife Jane born about 1849 England, William born about 1880 England, Lizzie born about 1886 Illinois, Thomas born about 1888 Illinois, Maria born about 1895 Washington, Alice born about 1890 Washington.  In the 1900 census they were living in Mountain, Kittitas County Washington.  Much Appreciated. Thank you. gladys1 

[AMBLY]

Hi Gladys1

In 1900 as you say they were in Mountain, Kittitas County Washington - at the time William 51 the father was a Farmer on a rented farm. Wife Jean 50 was the birth mother of 14 children, 9 living. They had been married 29 years and immigrated 1881 and have been in the US 19 yrs. The children:
William 19, Lizzie J 14,  Thomas 12,  Aliceann 10, Marier 5  - with Marier being the one born around 1895, and Aliceann (written as one word, no capital 2nd A) earlier in 1890. The son William was a Coal Miner.

To 1910....armed with enough ID'ing points from 1900 to make me think this following is the right family, despite some discrepancies (some of which may be down to the enumerators arithmetic, esp in 1900:--

1910 Seattle City - Ward 7, King Cty, Washington
2005 Boren Ave
Head: William HERON 62, b England, English parents, married once to Jean - for 42 yrs, occupation : Miner (worker), abode: a Rented house, immigrated 1879, Naturalised.
Wife: Jean HERON, 61 b England English parents. Is birth mother to 14 children, 9 still living. She immigrated 1890 (sic)
Mother-In-Law: Mary DUCEY  or DUEEY? 78, Widow, born England, English parents, birth mother of 9 children, 4 still living,  immigrated 1898.
Dau: Marie HERON 15, b Washington State,  attends school

With the older children - by 1910 poss married.

Cheers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

I think this could be son William in 1910.
The street he is on, on this page is only 3 houses I think, then after that, is Boren Street 504 for 3 houses or so, then onto another st.  Looks to me like the enumerator went up Boren St and up & down each side lane as he came to them, His suspected parents are at 2005 Boren.


1910 Seattle City - Ward 4, King Cty, Washington (image is quite faint in places)
2?5 Hervy? Street (btw 216 and 225)
Head: W J HERON 29, b Eng, Eng parents, imm. 1882;  married 2 yrs, is a Laborer, Rented house.
Wife: Alena HERON 29, b Finland, Finland parents (has no imm data recorded)
Boarder: Matthia---- -----------? 30, b Lithuania, single, Carpenter, imm 1885.
Boarder: Joseph M -----------? 32, b Lithuanuia, single Carpenter, (no imm data)
Son: John HERON age 1 month, b Washington, Eng Father, Finland mother.
Boarder: Sue B LEE, male, (A BOY NAMED SUE??!! HOW DO YOU DO ), 25, single,  b Michigan of Irish parents, Clerk.

* This Census is very faint and hard to make out in places.

Cheers
AMBLY

[gladys1]

Hi AMBLY I think i have the wrong William and Jane Heron with the mother in Law Mary Ducy as Jane`s maiden name was Henderson and i can`t find them any where in England, i did find a death in Forresters Cemetery Kittitas Washington of John Heron Feb 9, 1906 born June 29 1878 in Blyth England as that is where William and Jane were from and had a son of that name and birth. So i am still looking for them.       I will keep those census though.  I had to smile at the boy named Sue. The enumerater must have been deaf    I`m very grateful for your time and help and  appreciate it very much.     gladys1 

[AMBLY]

Hi Gladys1

If you are absolutely certain Jane's maiden name was HENDERSON, I still wouldn't dismiss this one just becasue of the  DUCEY Mother in Law - the term may have been loosley applied, or could Jane's mother have remarried???

The John whose death you found 1906 - does your John have the exact same full DOB and Place: June 29 1878 in Blyth England ?

I see your other post re: immigration and I have had a brief look - but I think I need to clarify the English side first:

Was your family still in the UK in Census 1881 and if so, where - I see a right aged Jane & William in Cowpen (sub reg district is Blyth)  Northumberland but this  William is an Innkeeper - they have a son John b Blyth ca 1879, and going by the age gaps of the children, mother Jane could be just abt to pop another one out (thinking of a William maybe, born ca 1881 UK) - is this the right family??

When did your Jane & William marry? Was John their only child whom you know of to date?

Cheers 
AMBLY

[gladys1]

Hiya AMBLY William Heron and Jane Henderson were married at St.Nicholas Church Newcastle on Tyne Sep 15, 1871,  both X marks.    Here is three baptisms what i have at St.Marys Church Blyth.

Feb 13, 1879 John son of William & Jane Herron Blyth Innkeeper.
Jan 21, 1880 Elsdon Calvert son of William & Jane Herron Blyth Folly Miner.
March 3, 1882 William son of William & Jane Herron Cowpen Quay Miner.

Yes they are the right family  in 1881 census so i think now that they are my family in 1910 census apart from the mother in laws name but like you say Jane`s mother could have married again only i haven`t any information on Jane`s family yet only her father was Thomas Henderson a Joiner.   The Elsdon Calvert Herron died 1880.  The name Elsdon was William`s mother`s maiden name.   Do you think i am on the right track.  Thanks very much. gladys

[AMBLY]

Hi Gladys1 

Since you last reply, I see it has been confirmed you're on the right track in so much as they did go to the US - as Cyberacct has found Jane & the children's passage (William probably preceded them):
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,176615.msg846077.html#msg846077

New York Passenger Lists, sailing on the Egypt leaving from Liverpool, England and arriving in New York on June-04-1883.
Jane Herron, age 33 born abt 1850
Isabel Herron, age 11 born abt 1872
Mary Herron, age 9 born abt 1874
Ralph Herron, age 7 born abt 1876
Philis Herron, age 5 born abt 1878
John Herron, age 3 born abt 1880
William Herron, age 1 born abt 1882
Microfilm Series - M237; Roll - 466, List # - 689.[/i]

This matches the 1881 UK Census Family of:
1881: HERRON  (All Born Blyth, Northumberland)
William age 31 Inkeeper, (YOB 1850) Innkeeper
Jane age 29 (YOB 1852)
Mary age 7 (YOB 1874)
Ralph 6 (YOB 1875)
Phillas 4 (YOB 1877)
John 2 (YOB 1879

So here Jane is in 1883 with  6 children living children born 1872-1882 in UK.  A 7th was Elsdon (b 1880)

Then only if the 1900 Census is right, she had in US:  8-Lizzie (1886) , 9-Thomas (1888) , 10,-Alliceann (1890)  11-Marier (1895). That's 11 children accounted for of the 14 born overall.

We know 2 of the 11 died (Elsdon 1880 UK, John 1906 NY)  leaving 9 living - this matches the statement on 1900 & 1910 Census of "9 living children".  And Meaning if "14 Born" children is correct: that either prior to 1883 in the UK, and/or  btw 1883 and 1895/1900 in the US, there were 3 other children born, and 3 children (maybe some of the original 9 accounted for) had died.

Considering Jane's DOB,  Marie/a may have been the last born in 1895. The UK children are close together born after the Sep 1871 marriage, while in the US there is a big gap btw 1883 family arrival NY  and the 1886 birth of Lizzie in Illinois, and btw the 1890 birth of AliceAnn and the 1895 of Maria in Washington.

All supposition: as we still don't know if the 1900 family is them.....and there is that Mary DUCEY in 1910.....but...at least we know now who all came into the US and when, to look for on the Census........

Just had a thought, I omiitted to post that part of the 1900 Census which stated neither William nor Jane could read and write (and now I understand the value of including it    as I ask: On their 1871 marriage Cert, or on the birth records of any of the children did they sign their names or make a mark?  Although, I know they poss could have learned to sign a name, even if they were otherwise illiterate ..........

Cheers
AMBLY 

[AMBLY]

Whoops! You're a step ahead of me!  I see above you have already said William and Jane signed the marriage cert with an "X".

Goodie! That helps strengthen the 1900 couple. I shall go back and see if that 1910 couple could read & write or not 

Cheers
AMBLY

[gladys1]

Hi AMBLY William and Jane couldn`t sign their names on the marriage lines as they were both marked with an X  and i haven`t got any birth certificates but will get the Blyth ones what i have.    I was over the moon with Cyberacct finding the immigration passage list as i knew it was my family but as you say we don`t know if the 1900 is mine or that Mary DUCEY in 1910.  I  put a request in for Jane Henderson born about 1852 father Thomas in 1871 census and got a reply back and the mother is an Elizabeth.  I know Williams brother, Elsdon, his son John went to USA Pennsylvania Alleghenny which i have the census .  Its just finding if there are any more William and Jane Herons in USA . something might turn up or if i can out who Mary DUCEY is;D.  In the 1900 census it says William and Jane cannot read or write.
Its a mystery.    You have been good helping me and i will let you know when i get the birth certificates.
Thanks a lot and i`m very grateful for your help.  Regards gladys   (just read your message)