Sarah ADAMS bc 1817 - Middle, Shropshire

[garstonite]

hi trying to find the maiden name of sarah adams born 1817 in middle,shropshire...she married john adams born 1809 in astley,shropshire...they had 2 children, john 1839 and sarah adams 1842....both born in astley..(.sarah adams b1842 then married william adams b1834 also from astley..may well have been cousins.)... an adams marrying an adams has made my research difficult,but through another descendant ,i have been given a copy of a birth certificate and now am 100% sure that john 1809 and sarah 1817 are my g.g.g.grandparents...would like to go back further if anyone can help...kind regards...allan

[garstonite]

i`ve had info from genes re-united that john and sarah had another child benjamin,born 1843 in astley,also sarah was born in june 1841 and not 1842 as i have stated....possibility that sarahs maiden  name was brookes and johns parents were edward adams(1788) and rebecca adams(1788) both of astley,shrops...can anyone confirm these details??...kind regards...allan

[Daisypetal]

Hi Allan,

Is this the family you are looking for,

1841  HO107/927/2  f.7/8  p.8/9  St Mary
Astley

John ADAMS     33  Ag Lab
Sarah              24
John                 2
Sarah                6months


1851  HO107/1991  f.270  p.6  Astley
Astley Lane

John ADAMS     43  Labourer   Haston Salop
Sarah              34                 Astley Salop
Sarah              10                  "  "      "  "
Benjamin            8                  "  "      "  "


1861 RG9/1867  f.37  p.12  Astley

John ADAMS   52  Ag Lab              Salop Astley
Sarah            44  Labourer Wife     Salop Middle
John              22  Ag Lab               Salop Hadnall


Possible births, 

John ADAMS  Mar Q  1839  Ellesmere  v.18  p.55 
Ellesmere is the registration district for Hadnall

Sarah ADAMS  Dec Q  1840  Atcham  v.18  p.7

Benjamin ADAMS  Jun Q  1843  Atcham  v.18  p.7


If so then it looks like Sarah is slightly older than you thought, but this would fit with the Sarah here,

1861  RG9/1867  f.36  p.9  Astley

Thomas ADAMS              Head  Wid  54   Ag Laborer 
William     "  "                  Son  Mar  28  Ag Lab
Sarah      "  "  Daughter-in-law  Mar  20  Ag Lab Wife
John      "  "            Grandson          12months                All born Salop Astley


Possible birth,

John ADAMS  Jun Q  1860  Atcham  v.6a  p.605


Of course I may be looking at totally the wrong people 

If you don't mind me asking whose birth certificate do you have and what are the details?

Regards
Daisy

[garstonite]

hi daisy....don`t know how you got your info,but its all spot on...its sarahs parents i am trying to trace....by the way...i only found out about benjamin yesterday....birth certs as follows... to do with sarah adams...1874 birth of walter adams...father william adams...mother sarah adams-formerly sarah adams(maiden name)..........the rest are death certs for sarahs mother and father in law...thomas adams and mary adams...and also william adams`s sister harriets birth cert....regards...allan

[Daisypetal]

Hi Allan,

I'm glad it was them 

I found most of the births from the GRO Index.


You mention that Sarah ADAMS Snr maiden name may be BROOKES this could be the marriage ref,

John ADAMS  Sep Q  1838  Shrewsbury  v.18  p.206

Sarah BROOKES on same page with others


I expect you've seen the IGI entries for Sarah BROOKS b. 14 Apr 1817, Myddle/Hadnall, father Benjamin, mother Elizabeth, this looks possible for them in 1841,

Oh that's strange this family and their neighbours seem to appear twice

1. HO107/927/7  f.7  p.11 
    Civil Parish: Middle
    Hundred:     Shrewsbury Borough
    Reg Dist:      Ellesmere     Sub Reg dist: Baschurch
    Township:    Haston
This one is transcribed as BROOK

2. HO107/918/11  f.42  p.6
    Civil Parish: Ellesmere
    Hundred:     Pimhill (Ellesmere Division)
    Reg Dist:      Ellesmere     Sub Reg dist: Baschurch
    Township:    Hadnall, Hardwick, Haston & Su??heath
This one is transcribed as BROOKS then the whole page and previous page have X through them, guess someone figured out they had been enumerated twice 

Benjamin BROOKS     50   Ag Lab
Elizabeth                55 
Thomas                 25   Ag Lab
Martha                    7                           All born in county


Certainly looks possible, maybe Benjamin b.1843 was named after his Grandfather, I think getting his birth cert. may be a good idea

Daisy


   

[garstonite]

hi daisy...presumably martha brookes was benjamin and elizabeths grandaughter...can`t see elizabeth giving birth at 48....if so where`s martha`s mother....this is the 1st martha in the family name which is still in our family today..used in every generation...regards...allan

[Daisypetal]

In 1851 Martha is still down as daughter,

1851  HO107/1994  f.549  p.22  Hadnall

Benjamin  BROOKES  Head  M  65  Ag Lab  Salop Bagley
Elizabeth                Wife   M  66  "  wife     "  "  Preston Gubbals
John                       Son   U  32  AgLab     "  "  Haston Hadnal
Martha                   Daur   U  17  Dressmaker  "  "        "  "
Joseph ELLIS         Visitor   U  22  Shoemaker  Shrewsbury


but the IGI has...

Martha BROOKES 
Chr:  22 Sep  1833  Hadnall, Shropshire
Mother: Sarah BROOKES

...so she could be the illegitimate daughter of Sarah Brookes, daughter of Benjamin & Elizabeth, Sarah would have been very young when Martha was born so perhaps it was decided that she should be brought up by her grandparents 


There is this marriage, which I mention because of the lodger on the above census.

Martha BROOKES  Jun Q  1852  v.6b  p.497  Wolverhampton Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands

other names on page,

Joseph ELLIS 
Evan DAVIS
Charlotte PRICE

If this is her marriage it may show Benjamin as her father as she may not of known they were not her parents. I have seen this happen before.

In 1861 I can see Joseph and Martha ELLIS living in Bilston, Staffordshire

Daisy

[garstonite]

many thanks daisy..very interesting...i`ll have to try and get something definite on sarahs history...regards...allan