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Offline Lady Di

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Re: 1891 census or earlier pls
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 06 September 06 11:57 BST (UK) »
Thanks Michael,

I off to go map hunting/looking!!

I found a place called "Middle Row" on "old-maps" web site but couldn't work out where Low Row was as that was one of the places they lived in one census.

By the way, I had a look at the William (Born Cullacoates) and on the IGI (admittedly it was a submitted entry??) they have his marriage to a different person and he doesn't look like my guy. What made you think that he was born there and the son of a Fisherman?

And I still can't find the place called Coble Pend or Coble Penry (as per Kerry's census lookup) Was this place just a name given to the fishing area 'cos of the boat name?

Thanks so much
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Di
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Re: 1891 census or earlier pls
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 06 September 06 13:38 BST (UK) »
Lady,

I am super at providing clues.... but not at coming to conclusions ( I might get blamed for leading folk down the wrong line or up the garden path)

Only kinding... well half-kidding.... I will have a closer look... and

but wait a mo, I gave you the census page ref for C1851, so you could see the constitution of the Storey family ( can you access this page ? )

It was William's age and the rules of the English Naming Pattern, which lead me to think this your William

( i.e.) Rule 1.. name your first son after his paternal grandad
Rule 6 name your first dtr after her maternal grannie.
Rule 2.. name second son after his mother's father.
Rule 7.. name second dtr after her dad's mother
etc etc...

Michael Dixon
Names.

GALLAGHER ( + variations).
Areas. Co Sligo, Co Leitrim, Co Mayo. IRELAND.
Ontario, CANADA
Lowell, Ma, USA
Counties of Northumberland & Durham, ENGLAND
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MALEY/MELIA/MALLEY  - with or without " O "
Westport Co Mayo. Northumberland
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DIXON
Cumberland.. Brampton, Carlisle, ENGLAND

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Re: 1891 census or earlier pls
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 06 September 06 13:58 BST (UK) »
Thank you Mr Dixon (Sir!) for not leading me up the garden path  ;D,

Looks like it's back to the Census for me  ::)

(Sorry, I'm just a dumb Aussie who forgot about "your" naming patterns!)

There are a few Williams/Mary families in the '41/'51 census so I'll go check 'em ALL out (and get confused AGAIN!)

I have just spent a very long time on the site you recommended with the fabulous maps - AND NOW IT ALL BECOMES CLEAR  ;D

I can see that they didn't travel all over the county and remained reasonable static throughout the Bedlington area.

Gold Star award for Mr Dixon   ;)

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Di
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Re: 1891 census or earlier pls
« Reply #21 on: Monday 18 September 06 00:33 BST (UK) »
Coble Dene... an area and a road still exists today. It lies close to Percy Main, which is itself part of North Shields.

The dene was a hollow near the river (Tyne) bank. In late 1800s, it was excavated to become a dock ( Edward Albert Dock) which today is near the Ferry terminal for traffic to Scandanavia.

To see it on modern map..... go to site...   google.maps.co.uk
and search on "coble dene". Both "hits" will show you where it lies.

And importantly I was wrong thinking that "your" William was part of a fishing family from/in Cullercoats. That William was still, unmarried , with his family on C1861. Whereas your William was married with children in Percy Main, on C1861.

William and his son William S may have worked together on the river bank. William senior was a coal trimmer, his son was a coal teemer.

Both would have worked not for a coal mining company, but for port authorities or railway company.

Pictuire the scene.... coal wagons filled with coal are transported up onto the staithes or "drops".  Colliers (coal ships) moor alongside and beneath the drops.

The coal is poured into the chutes, then released by a gang of "Teemers" to cascade down into the hold of ship below.

Below standing in the hold, will be a gang of Trimmers, whose jop was to quickly  flatten and level off the coal in the hold to prevent capsize through uneven loading and facilitate more drops.

The Trimmer's job was very dangerous. They had to jump clear as more loads of coal were "teemed" down, then quickly tackle the new heap within the hold.

One lapse of concentration could have been fatal.

Michael Dixon
Names.

GALLAGHER ( + variations).
Areas. Co Sligo, Co Leitrim, Co Mayo. IRELAND.
Ontario, CANADA
Lowell, Ma, USA
Counties of Northumberland & Durham, ENGLAND
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MALEY/MELIA/MALLEY  - with or without " O "
Westport Co Mayo. Northumberland
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DIXON
Cumberland.. Brampton, Carlisle, ENGLAND

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Re: 1891 census or earlier pls
« Reply #22 on: Monday 18 September 06 04:11 BST (UK) »
Hi Michael,

You are fantastic  :-*

So much information. Thank you so much.

I guess I can now "kill off" my Fisherman William and dig up the one in Percy Main with kids in 1861  ;)

Ohhh, I like little challenges!!

Thanks for all the info about the coal workings. I really thought that they were underground miners - how dumb can one person be - don't answer that!!  ::)

Thank you - I really appreciate all your help

Kind Regards
Di
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