Balls in Liverpool

[Necromancer]

Hmmmm good point Gadget - 1901 only has the initial P - does the Marriage Cert spell out Parry ?

[MaryA]

Another name to throw into the equation in case it helps any, at least it will help redkop one step further backwards on the other side.

1891 22 House Frank Street, Toxteth Park
James John Colllins Head M 53 House Painter Bishops Castle Salop
Mary Wife M 49 Liverpool
Samuel Briscoe Collins Son S 18 Telegraph Messenger "
Ann Collins daur S 13                                                    "
Joseph " Son S 11 Scholar                                             "
Samuel Briscoe Wife's Father Widr 81 Retired Shipwright Greasby Cheshire
RG12/ 2931; Folio 20; Page 35

[redkop]

Thank you everyone for your input.

 My paternal granfather and grandmothers wedding certificate, William George McLennan and Ann Ball 15/12/1928, Liverpool,  states her father as Robert Parry Ball, Mariner. I know for a fact this is correct, because my dad who is still alive can verify it.
From here I found the only Robert Parry Ball from the BMD index, in the Liverpool area. I then found his wedding certificate to Annie Collins 14/11/1897, Toxteth Park, it states he was 22 and a Mariner. He lived at 16 Combermere St., at the time. This fits with them in the 1901 census, even down to the Collins family living with them.

I then searched between 1874-1877 for a Robert Parry Ball birth. I found it to be in 1875 West Derby. I ordered his birth certificate. It states he was born 16/3/1875, his mother was Mary Ball (formely Morgan), his father Henry (Dentist). They lived at 51 Couvbury (or Overbury) St., West Derby.

Who knows why she put dentist!!!!!

I think all my other info on this family is correct, it was just this one thing that threw me!!!

 I have actually traced the Collins family in Bishops Castle, back to 1736!!!

I would be interested if you have any more thoughts on this.

Cheers,

Red     

[Necromancer]

They lived at 51 Couvbury (or Overbury) St., West Derby.

Ah-ha - look at 'Retiring-Types posting on Page 1 ....

In the 1871 census there is this family at 49 Overbury Street RG10/3843; Folio 6; P 5:

(all b. Liverpool)
Henry Ball 30  Fish dealer
Mary Ball 23
George H Ball 4 
Hannah B Ball 7 months 


This looks like them  in the 1881 census under the name "Morgan"
at 2 Fords Place Toxteth park: RG11/ 3636; Folio 69; P.25

(all b. Liverpool)

Henry Morgan 39  Labourer
Mary Morgan 33 
George H. Morgan 14 Iron Moulder
Hannah Morgan 10  Scholar
Robert Morgan 6  Scholar
Walter Morgan 2 

[ShaunJ]

Ah ha indeed:

Quote from redkop:

"From here I found the only Robert Parry Ball from the BMD index, in the Liverpool area. I then found his wedding certificate to Annie Collins 14/11/1897, Toxteth Park, it states he was 22 and a Mariner. He lived at 16 Combermere St., at the time"

Quote from MaryA:
"I have been wondering about the Henry 56, and Mary 52 Ball, 16 Combermere Street, Toxteth Park in 1901, with son Walter 22.  Both Henry and Walter are seamen RG13/3428; Folio: 19; Page: 30"

[ShaunJ]

Found a marriage for Hannah Ball (Robert's sister per the Henry Ball, fish dealer, trail) in Toxteth Park in 2Q 1889 8b 402. She married William Nelson and in 1891 they too are living in Combermere Street at 1 House, 3 Court:

RG12/2925, Folio 105, P. 34

William Nelson 28 Dock labourer
Hannah do 20

[MaryA]

Don't you just love it when a plan comes together!

[redkop]

Thanks guys    I think I should go down the line of the fish dealer!!  The address of Overbury st, and their names look correct. Also, 16 Combermers St., and yes, dentist looks better than fish dealer!!!

Why do you think they put Morgan instead of Ball on the 1881 census?

They don't make things easy for us, do they?

Red   

[ShaunJ]

"Why do you think they put Morgan instead of Ball on the 1881 census?"

They were probably trying to avoid the debt collectors!