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Austen/Austin
« on: Saturday 30 September 06 11:03 BST (UK) »
Trying to find information on my grt. grandfather William AUSTEN, born about 1865 in Battle Sussex.

I have 2 versions of his life! He told my grandmother (Elsie Alice) that he was ...

'... the son of a farmer and lived with his parents, 3 brothers and one sister Kate at Castle Hill Farm, Brenchley Nr. Tonbridge, Kent. From there he was sent to boarding school to be educated as a 'gentleman' and stayed there until his was 21 his mother financing his education'.

At this point I'm tempted to say "Yeah.  Right"  :-\ Boarding school until 21?  I think not!

What I suspect is the more accurate version, is that ...

He was the son of George Austin (born abt 1839, Brenchley, Kent) and a Harriet, nee unknown (born abt 1840 also in Brenchley). They did indeed have a farm - 'Ringlets Farm' - in Battle described as being of '90 acres and employing 7 labourers and 5 boys'. There is however, no mention of a Kate only sons, George H, James A, William, Albert E and Charles.

If I've been following the right William then at the age of 17, far from being in boarding school he was in 1881 a Clothier's Apprentice in Tonbridge Kent, and by 1891 was married to Alice Charlotte (nee Marjoram) with 3 children. In total they may have had 4 children - William George, Ruby Emma and Elsie Alice and possibly also an Archibald - although my Gran never mentioned him and he remains an enigma.

William sometimes called himself 'William G. Austen' since he went into business and thought the extra initial 'looked better'!!

I'm not going to be offended if anyone has any information on William which suggests him to be an inveterate liar - this is something I already know!!! But if there are any Austen/Austins who can shed light on William I'd love to know about him and his ancestors.

I'd be intrigued to find out more about the elusive Archibald too.

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Re: Austen/Austin
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 15 October 06 13:47 BST (UK) »
Hi Mogsmum,

I think we all have rattled a few skeletons in the closet with our research.  That's what makes this research interesting.

You don't mention what data you have that is proven.  Do you have any birth, marriage or death certificates?  Have you traced the family back through the census?  If you can list the Who, What, Where, When and How that you already have proven, it will help us all figure out which William Austin is yours.
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Re: Austen/Austin
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 15 October 06 17:37 BST (UK) »
Hi Nancy.

Thanks for offering to help.  I've done the obvious, started at the end and tried to work backwards.

I have William's death certificate.   He died at 'Coxheath Home' Linton, Kent on 11.6.1930 (aged 65), the death being registered by my grt.Aunt, Ruby.  His occupation was given as Traveller in motor accessories.

I know he married Alice Charlotte Marjoram, in 1885 in Maidstone

In 1901 Census he is shown as living with his wife and 2 children in Margate.  The two children were William (gran's 'Brother Bill') and Ruby Emma.   My Gran (Elsie) was born in Margate but not until Sept. of 1901.   Three years earlier they must have been living in Tun.Wells since that was where Ruby was born.

In the 1891 Census they are shown as living in Bank Street, Maidstone.   Here William his son,  is shown as being 4 and having been born in Middlesex (Bows Park or Wood Green).   

Also shown on both the 1901 and 1891 is a son Archibald C. Austen b. about 1890 in Maidstone, of whom I know nothing and of whom neither my gran nor Aunt Ruby ever spoke.   It is possible of course that he died.  The 1891 Census also lists a further son Henry R. Austen born about 1889 in Maidstone - he too is a mystery.

In 1881 William Austen is living in Tonbridge, aged 17 and working as a Clothiers Apprentice.  I'm pretty sure this is the right William as I remember my gran mentioning something about him living in Tonbridge.

My confusion with William - senior - comes (as you see from my original post) about his early life.   In every Census he clearly states he was born in Battle, Sussex.   However .....

My Gran always maintained her father was born in Brenchley, although I know it's possible he was born in Battle and brought up in Brenchley.  She often referred to this 'Castle Hill Farm', and the sister Kate, but I can't find any reference to any William with a sister of that name.   Not beyond the bounds of possibility however, that what William told my gran may not have been the truth.

To compound the felony, back in 1974 my Gran was contacted by someone writing a history of the Maidstone & District Bus Company which (in a roundabout way William Austen started).  He'd already got quite a bit of information and wrote to my Gran asking for 'background' on her father.   He stated that William had been born in Brenchley (on the Kent/Sussex border) in 1863, a fact which my Gran disputed, so between us the author and I attempted to obtain a copy of William's birth/marriage certificate.   From Maidstone Registrar's Office I got a reply which stated they had no record of any birth (at Brenchley) in that name and ... no record of the marriage.   The author applied for a Birth certificate from the then Somerset House but told me that ".... there was no record available".

The book was subsequently published in 2002 showing William to have been born in 1863 in Brenchley.

As for Henry R. and Archibald C. Austin/Austen - well, who knows?

The only other information I can find on what may possibly be my William is that on the 1871 census, there is a family of Austen's (George and Harriett) living at Ringlets Farm, Battle with 4 sons, one of whom is a William aged 6 - although there is no Kate.   If this is the right family, they've disappeared from the 1881 Census (at least I can't find them).   I haven't persued this any further back until I could be sure I had the right family, although a brief look at 1861 reveals a very 'iffy' possibility of a George aged 20 at 3rd Depot Battalion, Brompton Barracks as Private of the 81st Foot.

Sorry to ramble on, but that's the who, what, why -  all I need is the where's and when's!

Mogsy


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Re: Austen/Austin
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 17 October 06 00:40 BST (UK) »
Hi Mogsy,

I may have found them on the 1871 census.  I will send you a personal message and you can check it out.

Nancy
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