Pre-1881 Census - HOBBIS

[rhobbis]

I believe it's actually Sarah Lucy Paddock, or Lucy Sarah - we're not quite sure which ... she was commonly known as Lucy

[Tati]

I believe it's actually Sarah Lucy Paddock, or Lucy Sarah - we're not quite sure which ... she was commonly known as Lucy

Well that's strange. She's Lucy at marriage (I don't suppose there are dozens of Hobbis/Paddock marriages around 1892 in Birmingham) and there aren't any Sarah Lucy or Lucy Sarah Paddocks that I can see... but there is a Lucy Paddock, birth Dec 1870 Birmingham, who is quite easy to trace 

[rhobbis]

Well that's strange. She's Lucy at marriage (I don't suppose there are dozens of Hobbis/Paddock marriages around 1892 in Birmingham) and there aren't any Sarah Lucy or Lucy Sarah Paddocks that I can see... but there is a Lucy Paddock, birth Dec 1870 Birmingham, who is quite easy to trace 

'Sarah' may well have been just a nickname and not an official given name. Lucy is definitely a given name, 'Sarah' may be a mis-remembered 'fact'.

Can you tell me some details about Lucy Paddock?

[rhobbis]

Possible match:
1851
HO107/2051 538 16
Birmingham, Warwickshire
Camden Street
Emma Hobbiss, head, wid, 38, Laundress
Emma, dau, 18, **plate Burnisher?
Eliza, dau, 16, Warehouse woman
Clara, dau, 14, Steel pen worker
Frederick, son, 12, Jeweller
Henry, son, 8, Errand Boy
Caroline, dau, 6, school
Hannah, dau, 4

All born Birmingham

(according to 1841, father was called Frederick, age 34 in 1841)

Can you provide any more info on Federick Hobbiss (b.abt.1807) and/or Emma Hobbiss (b.abt.1803)?

(thanks again for your wonderful info!)

[Tati]

Lucy in 1881:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=22293801

[Tati]

1841
HO107/1139/3 50 13
Birmingham, Warwickshire
Warstone Lane
Frederick Hobbis, 34, J Gilltoy? M
Emma, 27
Emma, 8
Eliza, 6
Clara, 4
Frederick, 3
William, 1

All born in county.

[rhobbis]

Thank you so much for your help today - two generations in a couple of hours!

I understand that there are few centralised written records before about 1837 so would my next step in tracing the Hobbis/Hobbiss line be getting birth certificates of the oldest ones possible and working back from there?

[Tati]

You'd indeed need a few certs to prove you are tracing the correct people.

If the 1841 is right, then you are lucky enough to have one distinctive child born just after civil registration:
Frederick Hobbis, Sep 1838 Birmingham XVI 205

First thing however would be to concentrate on Walter's marriage and birth cert, I'd say. 

[Tati]

Just in case we are on the right track (I can't resist searching  )

The only Sarah Rebecca Gozzard I can see is:
Birth Sarah Rebeccah Gozzard March 1841 Birmingham

1841
HO107/1139/4 38 8
Birmingham (can't make out address)
James Gozzard, 38, ***, no (=not born in county)
Mary Gozzard, 40, no
Eliza Eldersham, 24, Dress maker, no
Ana? Eldersham, 22, Shop girl, no
William Eldersham, 17, Ap, no
James Eldersham, 17, Ap, no
Elizabeth Elsersham, 13, no
John Gozzard, 12, no
Caroline Gozzard, 7, yes
Sarah Gozzard, 3 months, yes

1851
HO107/2058 82 14
Birmingham
98 Barr? Albert?
James Gozzard, head, 50, Brass Founder, b. Staffordshire Handsworth
Mary, wife, 50, b. do.
John, son, 21, Jeweller, b. Birmingham
Caroline, dau, 16, b. do.
Rebekah, dau, 9, scholar, b. do.
Alfred, son, 7, scholar, b. do.
Mary Ann Eldersham, stepdau, unm, 25, Guard Chain Maker, b. Staffs Handsworth
Elizabeth Eldersham, stepdau, 21, ditto, b. do.