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Offline SS from The Rhondda

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Re: Another one to decipher or can you read this II
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 11 November 04 07:29 GMT (UK) »
Carmela...

The 'third' word looks like Battersea.

However, being a census return, each single line should be for one individual person. You may be assuming that the place continues onto the line below because of the fact that some of the occupation boxes are empty.

Perhaps an easy mistake to make when you only have a partial image of the census page.

To me it is Huish Episcopi.

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Re: Another one to decipher or can you read this II
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 11 November 04 08:15 GMT (UK) »
I might as well add my two penn'orth!

I also think that the first word is 'Hants'.

I looked on Google and found a reference to 'Stoke Episcopi':

http://www.hants.gov.uk/localpages/south_west/eastleigh/bishopstoke/

It seems that there was a place in 'Hants' by that name - but that was way back in the Middle Ages. A connection but a tenuous one, I'm afraid!

Don't forget to let us know if you ever get to the bottom of the mystery.

Good luck

Lyn S

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Re: Another one to decipher or can you read this II
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 11 November 04 08:50 GMT (UK) »
Huntingdonshire was a county in its own right in 1891 and there is a Bishop of Huntingdon (although he is not a diocesan bishop). Although Hampshire is much closer to Newbury, the place in question could be in Huntingdonshire, although I can't find a place that matches the writing.

Errors in the census can be found. My ancestors lived in the North East and moved (like yo-yos it would seem) between Newcastle and Gateshead. My ggrandmother is shown on one census as coming from Crag Head, Durham, and on another as Crag Head, Northumberland. If you could find some additional evidence, such as what it says in the 1901 census for the same person, it might help (or as in my own case, confuse further). Luckily I found the (correct) Durham entry for Crag Head first.

Good luck with the search
E Yorks - Carver, Steels, Cross, Maltby, Whiting, Moor, Laybourn
W Yorks - Wilkinson, Kershaw, Rawnsley, Shaw
Norfolk - Carver, Dowson
Cheshire - Berry, Cooper
Lincs - Berry
London/Ireland/Scotland/Lincs - Sullivan
Northumberland/Durham - Nicholson, Cuthbert, Turner, Robertson
Berks - May
Beds - Brownell

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Re: Another one to decipher or can you read this II
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 11 November 04 13:22 GMT (UK) »
Well, to answer some of the questions raised in the previous posts:

This 1891 Census place was St. Pancras in London. They obviously moved from Huish / Hunts / Hants Episcopi! The record was found for me by Heather B.

The line beneath is indeed Battersea and refers to the birthplace of his wife Julia.

I am afraid I am unable to find a 1901 census record for this, my GGranfather's entry (George Frederick Newbery, it seems he was known as Frederick). He was a Commercial Traveler and was obviously absent from the London address at the time of the census. Boongie Pam found an entry for Geo. F. Newbery a commercial traveler & visitor  at an address in Manchester, but his age at 41 is three years too young, and the birthplace was given as London. Seems a bit of a coincidence though. I have no idea how she found the entry, no amount of searching in 1901 online throws him up for me!

This side of my family seems to be really elusive. I can't find any reference to my grandfather's birth (Frederick Arthur known as Arthur) in 1878, nor my GGrandad's marriage or his birth and this census entry is the first trace of them I've found prior to 1908, my grandparent's wedding.

If anyone can find the family in the 1881 census, I might make some progress in tracking them down.

Thanks everyone for your input.
Baker, Boreham, Burnett, Collings, Cox,
Dollin, Fowler, Grocock, Holmes, John,
Leadbitter, Lethbridge, Morgan, Newbery,
Padmore, Robinson, Young

Many more to come... I hope!


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Re: Another one to decipher or can you read this II
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 11 November 04 14:43 GMT (UK) »
I am not sure what questions enumerators asked - if they even consistent. If you were a visitor staying in a [what] boarding house, hotel and the guy asked  "Where are you from"? I can't see it as stupid if he replied "From London".
Ages mean little on censuses - correct ages being the exception - an "error" of 3 years was pretty close.
Southern or Southan [Hereford , Monmouthshire & Glos], Jenkins, Meredith and Morgan [Monmouthshire and Glos.], Murrill, Damary, Damry, Ray, Lawrence [all Middx. & London], Nethway from Kenn or Yatton. Also Riley and Lyons in South Africa and Riley from St. Helena.
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Re: Another one to decipher or can you read this II
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 11 November 04 22:40 GMT (UK) »
Found him!  He is transcribed as Geo Newberry.

I found him with a search for Newberry, male, 40 +/- 2 yrs.

Cheers,
Pam
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Dumfrieshire: Fallen, Fallon, Carruthers, Scott, Farish, Aitchison, Green, Ryecroft, Thomson, Stewart
Midlothian: Linn/d, Aitken, Martin
North Wales: Robins(on), Hughes, Parry, Jones
Cumberland: Lowther, Young, Steward, Miller
Somerset: Palmer, Cork, Greedy, Clothier

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Re: Another one to decipher or can you read this II
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 11 November 04 22:51 GMT (UK) »
So it is Huish....

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=19290.0

Thanks to the best detective work from the Rhonda!

Pam
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Dumfrieshire: Fallen, Fallon, Carruthers, Scott, Farish, Aitchison, Green, Ryecroft, Thomson, Stewart
Midlothian: Linn/d, Aitken, Martin
North Wales: Robins(on), Hughes, Parry, Jones
Cumberland: Lowther, Young, Steward, Miller
Somerset: Palmer, Cork, Greedy, Clothier

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Re: Another one to decipher or can you read this II
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 13 November 04 10:36 GMT (UK) »
Well, you can all rest your bottle bottom glasses and save yourselves from further eyestrain. It's difinitely HUISH Episcopi.

SS form Rhondda did an astounding piece of detective work and found the 1881 census entry for the Newbery family under the name of UNBREE which gives the birthplace as Huish, Somerset. So now I can pack my sandwiches and point my browsing finger Westward and look down there!

Thanks to all for your efforts.

Paul N.
Baker, Boreham, Burnett, Collings, Cox,
Dollin, Fowler, Grocock, Holmes, John,
Leadbitter, Lethbridge, Morgan, Newbery,
Padmore, Robinson, Young

Many more to come... I hope!

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Re: Another one to decipher or can you read this II
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 30 November 04 21:07 GMT (UK) »

Newbery family under the name of UNBREE

Paul
maybe i should see if my Newbery's were transcrabed that way too ! ;D

joanne still looking for ashby de la zouch & manchester Newbery's
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