Lucy CHANNER

[andrea_mc]

i am interested lucy channer  who married arthur wright 23 jun 1779 in high wycombe  ( witnesses john gibbs, james mayling)

i am wondering if she  is lucy daughter of mathew channer and mary ware
christened 14 july 1756 in ivinghoe
( george was also christened same day)

or lucy daghter of of john channer and and mary
christened 29 may 1760


i had always thought it was john and marys daughter because i have a death in july 1756 ivinghoe  aged 2 weeks

i wonder if any one could check and
see if mathews daughter was buried  jul1756  ivinghoe


andrea

[awp_44]

Hi Andrea_mc

Lucy Channer and Arthur WRIGHT were my GGGGG Grandparents. There son John married Elizabeth EAST. I am descended form their son Arthur.

I am not sure on Lucy's parents. I did have them down in my play Family File as Mathew Channer and Mary WARE, but this was without any direct proof ie I could only find them on the IGI.

Hope to hear back from you.

Regards

Alan in Australia

[andrea_mc]

hi Alan great to hear from you


i am in process of checking my records.

As 5 years age i found a Will in  Buckinghamshire
 (i must try to get to double check)
of john channer from Little marlow who died 1800

and it talks about  his daughter lucy wright ,
so i have always had lucy as johns daughter


i have a john channer in penn area of bucks
with 3 wifes and
1 wife one  sarah dennis 1747
had 3 children
robert , ann, ambrose
 she appeared to die when ambrose was born 1752
2 wife ( not sure of details 1753  no children )
john married mary smith 1753  ( from IGI)
3 wife  mary wingrove1757
she had 5 children
steven 1757
lidy 1762
fred 1766
william 1772
henry 1774

some have wrongly (i believe) given the above john `s death as 1781
i dont as  enty says SNR.
so i assume his son john  is alive making him the father born 1699


lucy

 i have a christening1764 penn  and at 1 point i had her as a child of john and mary wingrove 1764  fits in with the other children all in Penn
unfortunatly christenning only lists mother name as mary.
when i found Johns Will i wondered why he only mentioned his daughter so i have this john and mary on their own

all research since has lead me to believe that i want to add lucy back to john and mary wingrove and it would solve my problem of birth or death details 
for this  john.
especially as i have  a burial record for mathew and mary ware daughter  aged 2 weeks and they were in ivinghoe.
 
lucy and arthur wright  were in penn like john who married sarah dennis, mary smith and mary wingrove .

so i want to bouble checkmy records

lucy 1756 mathew and mary wares daughter 1756
lucy john and mary ( unknown) 1760

i can see how they could be confused
 i am wanting to prove they are cousins as i have my tree from mathew and
and ann sunders  Gt Missenden

and  as a seperate tree from john  1699 little marlow .


andrea

[Valda]

Be aware that though High Wycombe marriages are on the IGI baptisms are not. High Wycombe was a town so this is a lot of baptisms missing.
Having said that the better off High Wycombe citizens did sometimes send their wives to the nearby village of Penn so you do find baptisms there.

The Buckinghamshire Family History Society has several indexes including a will index. Their baptism index covers High Wycombe parish registers from 1674-1837.

http://www.bucksfhs.com/

Regards

Valda

[andrea_mc]

thank you

the details of batisms and marriage etc
i saw at Aylesbury  record  on micro film .( about 5 years ago)

the will of john channer
 i saw at chesham local studies library

but at the time i was to intested in it as john is not part of my main channer  tree
so only copied down the names mentioned in the will  to help me work out who the John was .

 At the moment i am not able to get to the  library in Buckinghamshire to    re check my  facts

 the details dont at the moment come up on A2A site


andrea

[DCS]

Hi  Andrea and others on this thread - I have read all your posts with great interest as I too am currently researching Lucy Channer's parentage.  My personal tree also starts from Arthur Wright and Lucy Channer and I have found that Lucy's father is either John or Mathew Channer. 

I wrote to one of my contacts yesterday and he pointed out that  there are far more details in a marriage register entry after 1837, including the fathers of the couple, but the entry for 23 Jun 1779 (if that is correct) just might say whether both parties were 'of this parish' or give their parish of residence if not.  It may indicate whether Lucy was a spinster and whether the marriage was after banns or by licence.  It might also be worth checking the baptisms for High Wycombe back from about 1763 just in case there is yet another Lucy CHANNER. 

Matthew CHANNER married his second wife Sarah KNIBB in High Wycombe in 1705 and that she died the following year - maybe in childbirth.  Ivinghoe and High Wycombe, although in the same county, were not close enough for people from the two to meet easily in that period.  The nearest market towns to Ivinghoe were Aylesbury, Tring and Dunstable rather than High Wycombe.  It was usual, though not mandatory, for a marriage to be in the bride's church if the couple were from different parishes, but maybe if Arthur WRIGHT's wife was indeed the Lucy CHANNER from Ivinghoe she was in domestic service in High Wycombe and so they met there.  Mary WRIGHT, their first child was born/baptised 'about 1779' which might indicate a hurried marriage because she was pregnant, and also she didn't want to bring disgrace upon her family back in Ivinghoe by marrying there.

These are of course only deliberations which could turn out to be wrong as well as right.
 

[andrea_mc]

hi

lucy and arthur
and both are listed of as   otp  (of  this parish  )
and  the witnesses to the marriage

Jno Gibbs , James Mayling


these names dont appear on my large research on the channers


unfortunatly both mathews and johns wife were MARY
 wife  mary ware  and john s wife  mary wingove wife were listed as  mary

so naming daughter mary after grandmother is not much help.

but as i said i have a burial date for mathews daughter aged 2 weeks 


John wife was  mary wingrove
and they had 5 other children
 
lidy was christened 1762
frederick 1766
so lucy would fit in as christenning lists mother as Mary

it is just the will [/b of john ]that is confusing only refering to DAUGHTER 

mathew (died 1750)  who married sarah knibbs(  was  married  3 times 1 sarah carter then  2 sarah knibb then 3 ann saunders )
 is the father of mathew 1713 to 1792 who was the father of lucy
the son mathew (lucy Father) married sarah dell then mary ware





andrea

[DCS]

James Mayling who was one of the witnesses at Lucy and Arthur's wedding married into the Wingrove family - and the Wingrove family was connected by marriage to the Channer family in Penn.  So looks like Lucy and Arthur belong to the Penn lot!

Has anyone got a copy of John Channer's will?  I think we need to know the contents of that and also has anyone read the actual IGI microfiche for Lucy and Arthur's marriage?  And Lucy's birth?

[andrea_mc]

hi
 i have  seen both 

i have seen marriage ,and a copy of the will


i dont have transport there at the moment to double check

i originally had lucy as john and mary wingrove daughter
then because of the will unlinked them

and because of all my channer research
 i had forgotten i had this
as it could be read as CHANNOR  and i have no other Channers in Marlow .

his father john buried at Little Missenden and i believe like his father he was a game keeper.

so i left them on their own , but recently been  in contact with a couple of people  who had lucy as mathews daughter for whom i have a burial record .
 
 as my research over the years  has gone on i think it is the only solution that the john who married( sarah dennis) and mary wingrove is the same person with the will dated 1800 had moved to  Marlow .
 This  why i could not( find birth or) death dates for john married to mary wingrove ( etc) in the penn records i have not found burial just his WILL


 i am  now  convinced that this is the same JOHN with children christened in  penn ,bu i do like to double check

so i need to see what the WILL really says, not what i  wrote down in my early resarch and ignored .

the links with the wingrove family make sense and the 3 children of arthur and
lucy fit johns family as opposed to Mathews.
i do have a christenning date  with father john (and mother mary)

i dont think any one has found a 3rd christenning of  a lucy has been found.



andrea