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Re: LAMYMAN - Tattershall, Lincs
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 05 December 06 13:34 GMT (UK) »
Oh wow, reading your post has given me goosebumps!  :o

Thank you so much for replying to this thread, it's the first time I've ever made a connection with anyone else during my research  :D

Am I right in thinking that your Sam is the brother of Cammack b.1807, and that their father is William Brackenbury Lamyman b.1785?

The only other Samuel I have in my records is a son of Cammack & Martha, and a brother of George, who was born c.1840, but I do recall coming across your Sam several times during census searches, along with the Hilton name you also mention. I guessed they had to be related somewhere along the line.

I have since found, on the IGI records, Cammack's christening on 20 May 1807 at Coningsby, with parents William Brackenbury Lamyman and Elizabeth ??, and I've also found William's christening on 18 July 1785 also at Coningsby, with parents Amos Lamyman and Betsey ??, but that's about as far as I've been able to go back at this point. Confirmation of those facts so I know I've got the right people would be great if you have that information. I would also love to see a copy of William's(?) will too if I could.

BTW, who are Joseph and Rebecca? are they related to your side? I found them on the IGI on various christening details but couldn't tie them in to anyone I was looking for.

The photo you have of Sam and his family, would that possibly have Cammack on it too? (assuming I'm right about them being brothers of course) and if so, would you happen to have a copy or be able to scan it so I could see it please?

I think it's quite possible that George did live in York at some point as he seemed to travel around Yorkshire a fair bit before settling in Huddersfield. May I ask how you discovered this address?

Right, I think that's enough questions to be going on with, I'm just so excited to have found someone who shares some of my own ancestry  ;D

Many thanks again, this is fantastic!

Kind regards
Paula


Baker, Thompson, Lomas, Ikin - Middlewich, Cheshire; (Baker) Stockton, Durham
Fradley, Hall, Weaver, Pargeter - Stone, Staffordshire; Middlewich, Cheshire
McGuin, Gallagher, Bogan, McKew - Huddersfield, Bradford, Yorkshire; Nottingham; Bacup, Rochdale, Lancashire; Ireland
Mellor, Lammyman, Pearson - Huddersfield, Dewsbury, Wakefield, Hull, Yorkshire
Connelley, Little, Walker, Starkey - Cleckheaton, Dewsbury, Bradford, Yorkshire; Co Monaghan, Ireland

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Re: LAMYMAN - Tattershall, Lincs
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 06 December 06 20:43 GMT (UK) »
No.  the William born in 1875 married Betsy Smith, this William was the son of Amos and Betsy, and this Amos was the son of Amos and Charlotte nee Brackenbury, this Amos senior was a brother of your Cammack. 
     Sam was born in the Haven Bank farmhouse on 5th Nov 1812 and baptised at Coningsby on 8th Nov 1812.  He worked his father’s land and then became a farmer in his own right and did very well for himself,  inherited some land and acquired more and branched out into being an innkeeper at the same time. By1851 he was farming over fifty acres, not as a tenant but his will showed he owned the land.  He ran the public house on the Haven Bank side of the Witham and had a financial interest in the pub on the opposite side (Tattershall Bridge) because it was actually built by the Lamymans.  He married Rebecca Martin, George and Susannah Martin’s daughter from Wildmore Fen, (the marriage certificate shows her “of Coningsby Allotments of this parish” ) on 25 Nov 1832 in Wildmore Fen, Thornton le Fen chapel - there were lots of red brick chapels of various denominations across the fens from there to Boston, most have now gone or been converted to dwelling houses - and they lived happily ever after as far as I know.  Well, they must have been reasonably happy because they had fifteen children from 1839 to 1857, one being the Hilton Lamyman who became well known as a preacher.  Sam died 13 Mar 1880 at Scrub Hill and was buried three days later at Coningsby.  He left seventy seven acres to his sons, who by that time were living on and working the inherited land, mostly down Anwick Fen (though there was some mortgage outstanding) and the Scrub Hill farmhoue and and three acres to Rebecca who survived him.  He also left money to his six living daughters and a cow to Robert Atkin.  Just a note here - the Coningsby parish records from 1807 to 1816 were cut out of the registers and were recompiled from information supplied by the families.    Rebecca lived in the farmhouse until she died on 7 Feb 1891, buried 11th Feb 1891 at Coningsby.   She died intestate and Administration passed to son William who was then farming at Haven Bank. 
     Sam’s father was William Lamyman and his mother was Elizabeth, nee Cammack (Cammocks), a family spread across the fens towards Boston.  She was the daughter of  Samuel and Rebekah Cammack from Chapel Hill and was born in 1784  She and William married 18 Apr 1803 at Wyberton, the marriage register entry reads: ‘ William Lamyman of Coningsby parish, bachelor and Elizabeth Cammack, single woman, of this parish"  Both signed.  Witnesses James Nicholls and Henry Gibson.’ . William was already a farmer though not with as much land as Sam eventually had and he lived at Haven Bank (he is shown as being baptised at Hawthorn Hill but that will be the same place).  William acquired more land at Billinghay Dales (some there had been inherited from his dad, the first one to get any land there)  but although it was called Billinghay Dales it was the land just the other side of the Witham at the old Tattershall Bridge where the Lamyman pub was (and still is, ie the pub is still there but not owned by a Lamyman now).  William and Elizabeth had ten children, one of whom was Sam and one of whom was your Cammack (1807), not to be confused with another son they called Jonathan Cammack.  In actual fact William and Elizabeth must have been sneaking out well before they got married, perhaps she was too young or perhaps one of more parents didn’t approve of his/her choice.  Their first child was Susannah  "Susannah, dau of Elizabeth Cammocks, Coningsby" 8th May 1802 and the second one was Jonathan Cammack Lamyman “"Jonatham, son of Elizabeth Cammocks, the reputed father William Lamyman of Dogdyke". By 1807 the baptisms were including the father, eg 30th May 1907, Cammack, Son of William and Elizabeth Lamyman, Haven Bank".  Anyway William died 7 Oct 1850 and he left a couple of plowed fields and a grass field at Haven Bank plus the land at Billinghay Dales to his four sons and additionally the house at Haven Bank to Jonathan but I think Elizabeth could live in it;  in any case he left her a Cow and a Pig and Two Good Beds.  Her residence was given as Billinghay Dales when she died  in March 1855 so they must have had a dwelling there as well as the land - he refers to it only as “my estate”.  The people who have, or had,  the pub told me a few years ago that the red brick house opposite the pub was occupied a Lamyman years ago.

   I’m not going to do it on this forum but I have your George’s family back well before this.  He wasn’t the only one to have his name spelled with ‘mm’ - it just depended on who the scribe was and lots of them were at one time another attributed with ‘mm’. Young Edward who was hit by lightning at Tetford has Lameman on his gravestone but Lammiman in the register for example.  Yes,  I guess Cammack is on the photograph, you could identify him maybe if they are standing in birth order.   I can’t copy it myself but is there any way I can give you an email address for your eyes only?   I don’t know who you mean by Joseph and Rebecca:  the Joseph at Tattershall Thorpe married Matilda Swannack not Rebecca, he was the grandson of your Cammack.   

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Re: LAMYMAN - Tattershall, Lincs
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 07 December 06 10:48 GMT (UK) »
Hi, I've sent you a personal message with my email address  :)

PS ... just realised on checking my records that I've muddled up 1785 and 1875 somehow and have William written down with both years as DOB, no wonder I got it wrong!!! 

I must remember to take regular breaks whilst researching and not work into the wee hours of the morning when I'm tired!  ;D
Baker, Thompson, Lomas, Ikin - Middlewich, Cheshire; (Baker) Stockton, Durham
Fradley, Hall, Weaver, Pargeter - Stone, Staffordshire; Middlewich, Cheshire
McGuin, Gallagher, Bogan, McKew - Huddersfield, Bradford, Yorkshire; Nottingham; Bacup, Rochdale, Lancashire; Ireland
Mellor, Lammyman, Pearson - Huddersfield, Dewsbury, Wakefield, Hull, Yorkshire
Connelley, Little, Walker, Starkey - Cleckheaton, Dewsbury, Bradford, Yorkshire; Co Monaghan, Ireland

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Re: LAMYMAN - Tattershall, Lincs
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 07 December 06 15:21 GMT (UK) »
I've an idea your George lived at  at Lane Side, Churwell, York at one time.   

Just going through my records and George did in fact live at Lane Side, Churwell (1881 census) but it's in Leeds (Morley area) not York, which is what initially confused me when you mentioned it, although you may have it written as the County of York rather than Yorkshire, as it was known back then. He was working as an agricultural labourer, living with wife Maria and five of their children, and ?? mother-in-law (Mary A Chapman).

In 1871 census he was listed as visiting his father, Cammack, at Haven Bank and I've been unable to find him 1861. I've also failed to find out when and where he actually married Maria Chapman, although I'd take a guess at it being in or near Tattershall where she came from.

Hopefully you might be able to help me fill in the missing blanks  ;)
Baker, Thompson, Lomas, Ikin - Middlewich, Cheshire; (Baker) Stockton, Durham
Fradley, Hall, Weaver, Pargeter - Stone, Staffordshire; Middlewich, Cheshire
McGuin, Gallagher, Bogan, McKew - Huddersfield, Bradford, Yorkshire; Nottingham; Bacup, Rochdale, Lancashire; Ireland
Mellor, Lammyman, Pearson - Huddersfield, Dewsbury, Wakefield, Hull, Yorkshire
Connelley, Little, Walker, Starkey - Cleckheaton, Dewsbury, Bradford, Yorkshire; Co Monaghan, Ireland


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Re: LAMYMAN - Tattershall, Lincs
« Reply #13 on: Friday 15 December 06 21:01 GMT (UK) »
Hi Tal

Did you get my message with my email address?

I realise it's a very busy period of the year, and you may not have had time to email me, so apologies if I sound a tad impatient   :-[

I've barely had time to devote to family research myself the last few weeks, so I'm in no particular hurry for the information, but just wanted to check you'd actually got my PM as this message board is much different to ones I've used before so not sure whether I sent it right  ???
Baker, Thompson, Lomas, Ikin - Middlewich, Cheshire; (Baker) Stockton, Durham
Fradley, Hall, Weaver, Pargeter - Stone, Staffordshire; Middlewich, Cheshire
McGuin, Gallagher, Bogan, McKew - Huddersfield, Bradford, Yorkshire; Nottingham; Bacup, Rochdale, Lancashire; Ireland
Mellor, Lammyman, Pearson - Huddersfield, Dewsbury, Wakefield, Hull, Yorkshire
Connelley, Little, Walker, Starkey - Cleckheaton, Dewsbury, Bradford, Yorkshire; Co Monaghan, Ireland

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Re: LAMYMAN - Tattershall, Lincs
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 15 August 07 15:25 BST (UK) »
The Lamyman's now farm near Louth on the Lincolnshire Wolds having previously farmed at South Kyme. Bert Lamyman I think still farms at Billinghay. Peter Lamyman who is the son of the late Leonard Lamyman (Brother of Bert) farms at Worlaby nr. Louth.
I don't know if this is the same branch but I would think the unusualness of the name and geographical proximity would suggest a strong link.
Bernard

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Re: LAMYMAN - Tattershall, Lincs
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 15 August 07 19:29 BST (UK) »
Do you ever find yourself getting drawn into a thread for some unknown reason? And then getting a big shock when you find the reason why? It's just happened to me. I was casually reading with one ear and one eye until I read
 I don’t know who you mean by Joseph and Rebecca:  the Joseph at Tattershall Thorpe married Matilda Swannack not Rebecca, he was the grandson of your Cammack.   

I'm actually related to Matilda. Well, sort-of. She's the sister of my mother's cousin's daughter's great granny. I think.  ;D ;D
But the most important thing is that I've told my cuz that Matilda by 1891 was married to someone called Turner.  :o  Not quite sure how I came to that decision (this was in 2005!) because there's only one Matilda Swannack marriage on FreeBMD. Fortunately my cousin is even more behind with her family tree than I am, so I'll be able to tell her before she enters all the wrong details.   :)
Thank you Tal, for that extremely valuable piece of information.

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Re: LAMYMAN - Tattershall, Lincs
« Reply #16 on: Friday 31 August 07 21:07 BST (UK) »
I have not read through all the messages but I have some of these people in my database which you can reach via http:/www.linclinks.co.uk

Regards,

Jacky
My Maternal line are all from Lincolnshire - First Generations include:
Arliss, Armstrong, Baker, Borman, Cartwright, Clark, Dixon, Duckering, Everington, Forman, Freshney, Gadsby, Graves, Hatcliffe, Holmes, Jackson, Johnson, Knott, Lacey, Leverton, Lilley, Morton, Oades, Pacey, Priestley, Rickett, Riggall, Rowson, Shaw, Sleaford, Sleight, Smith, Spikin, Taylor, Thacker, Ticklepenny, Tomkins, Tyler, Walton, Ward, Willson, Wood and Wortley.

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Re: LAMYMAN - Tattershall, Lincs
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 03 October 10 11:49 BST (UK) »
My mother, Marian was the only daughter of Betsy Smith and William Brackenbury Lamyman. It is interesting to read your answers. Can you answer me one -which public houses were owned by the Lamyman family. I believe the Royal Oak at Tattershall Bridge was built and run by the Lamymans.Was another the Packet Inn at Dogdyke. Would be very interested to know.