Hannah Melford in Sheffield

[Hunnyb22]

Hi Everyone...I hope someone can help me. My maternal great, great grandmother was Hannah Melford (she may have had a middle name beginning with J) who was born 1816 in Ireland. Would her death certificate have her maiden name and married name or just her married name on it?

Hannah's Daughter (my great grandmother) was born 1838 in Co.Mayo, Ireland, so her birth certificate would be very difficult to get as I don't know which town she was born in.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Kind regards
Hunnyb22

[brer]

When did she die?

[Tati]

If she died in England, it won't give her maiden name.

Is she the one who has a daughter Mary Ann born ca. 1858 in Sheffield with her in 1881?

If Mary A is indeed her daughter (and not her daughter in law) then Mary Ann's birth cert would give Hannah's maiden name.

I see a birth:
Mary Ann Melford
Dec quarter 1858
Sheffield 9c 271

Tanja 

[Tati]

Have had a look at your previous posts and now found the family on the 1861 census. They indeed have Mary Ann age 3 born Sheffield and John age 8 born Sheffield with them.

You don't need any other information to order the birth cert than the name of the child and the GRO reference 

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

[Hunnyb22]

Hi...Thank you so much for your help, I really appreciate it This has certainly clarified something that has been puzzling me for a while, I thought Mary Ann was the daughter in-law of Hannah because on the 1881 Census, it has her living with Hannah and Mary's child John Thomas Melford. however, she and a John Thomas married in 1878, so what happened to her husband and why call her son by her maiden name?

One other thing, on the 1861 Census, could you give me all the names of the family please? My great grandmother Rose Ann should have been on the census as she didn't marry until 1862.

Thank you once again for your help.

Kind regards
Hunnyb22

[Dalum]

1861 census
ref: piece 3491 folio 56B
36 New St
(Sheffield Park)

Thomas MILFORD Head Marr 44 masons labourer IRL
Anna MILFORD WIfe Marr 40* IRL
Margaret MILFORD Dau Unm 15 scholar IRL
Thomas MILFORD Son 10 scholar IRL
John MILFORD Son 8 Sheffield
Mary Ann MILFORD Dau 3 Sheffield

*the zero is slightly obscured by a later mark, but I think that's what it is.
The surname is definitely MILFORD with an 'I'.

Now this might be a shock -  Rose A MILFORD aged 22 born Ireland is an inmate in the Sheffield Workhouse. (ref piece 3486 folio 123F).

I think the two Thomas's are buried in St Michael's RC cemetery.

Hugh in Sheffield

[Dalum]

2 other MILFORDS in the workhouse in 1861:

SA MILFORD (f) inmate Unm 22 IRL
MA MILFORD (f) inmate 2 IRL

...listed together on folio 115F.

Although the return shows that the baby was born in Irelnad (with a 'do' under SA's birthplace), I think this could be her:

GRO Births JUN Qtr 1858
Milford  Mary Ann     
Sheffield  9c 319

Hugh

[Tati]

Ooh - that's complicating things - 2 Mary A's born around the same time.

I suppose the one born in the march quarter would probably be Thomas and Hannah's and the one born in December would be the one in the workhouse. 

If you can't decide between the 2, then there's this birth for John (can't see another candidate): John Milford - June quarter 1853 - Sheffield - 9c 290

Here's the family in 1871
RG10/4687 45 33
Navigation Hill, Sheffield Park
Thos Millford, head, 61 Labourer, b. Ireland
Hannah J, wife, 55, b. do.
Thos, son, unm, 20, b. do.
Mary A, dau, 13, b. Sheffield

I also see on one of your previous posts that you don't have Rose in 1891 (perhaps you have found her in the meantime). Just in case, she's at RG12/3825 93 25
In 1871, the family are at RG10/4687 112 27 (not much help with birthplace - they are all dittoed as being born Sheffield)
Give me a shout if you need the details.

I see there is a birth for John Thomas Milford in Sheffield in the June quarter 1877 = before Mary Ann's marriage (if it's the same Mary Ann)

[Hunnyb22]

Hi...Thank you all very much for your help.

Yes, I was shocked to know that Rose Ann was in the Sheffield workhouse, the only reason I can think that she would have been there is that she was pregnant before she married, therefore she would have been sent there out of shame as they were devout Irish Catholics. Her first child Elizabeth was born 1862, the same year she married George Handley (b.1836 Sheffield) I have all the Handley family on the 1881 Census, I also have my gran's birth certificate, so I know they are the same family.

Kind regards
Hunnyb22