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Crossley, Co. Antrim
« on: Sunday 05 November 06 01:50 GMT (UK) »
Just wondering if anyone knows where Crossley, Co Antrim is/ was?  My G G G Granda was from there around 1830.
Thanks, Karen
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Re: CROSSLEY, CO ANTRIM
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 05 November 06 05:58 GMT (UK) »
Hiya Karen,

I tried www.thecore.com/seanruad with no success. I also looked in an old AA book with the same result. Possibly your GGG Grand Dad's surname could assist. We might be able to use Griffiths Valuation to see where people of that surname were living in Co. Antrim. There is a Crossley Street in Belfast but I doubt that will be of much help.

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Re: CROSSLEY, CO ANTRIM
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 05 November 06 15:36 GMT (UK) »
Hi Christopher
It says on my G G Grandmother's marriage cert 'townland/street' Crossley Co Antrim.  I assumed that this was an area in Antrim, but I guess it could be a street in Belfast.  The man she married was simply from 'Belfast'.  I will check with anthony to see if she was in crossley street, belfast in 1870.  If not I can resume the search for Crossley!
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Re: Crossley, Co. Antrim
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 15 June 08 14:41 BST (UK) »
Hello Karen,

Would Cross be any help?

Townland Acres County     Barony    Civil Parish      PLU      Province
Cross   1,529      Antrim Lower Antrim  Ballyclug     Ballymena Ulster
Cross   784        Antrim       Cary        Culfeightrin     Ballycastle Ulster
Cross   207        Antrim   Upper Dunluce   Ballymoney Ballymoney Ulster

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Re: Crossley, Co. Antrim
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 15 June 08 15:03 BST (UK) »
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!

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Re: Crossley, Co. Antrim
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 24 June 08 15:12 BST (UK) »
Hi Karen,

Proving the existence of a "Crossley" in Co. Antrim appears to be an elusive task ...


No townland of that name, with or without the "e".

Crossley Street, Belfast lies securely in co. Down.
[It runs parallel to Castlereagh Street, linking Templemore Avenue with Clandeboye Street, all in the Eastern suburb of Ballymacarrett.]

Suppose, it might just be a hamlet ...


Perhaps its time to take a step back?
[Re-examine the evidence/assumptions and think laterally.]

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Could you be mis-interpreting the text?


Deciphering of scriptively written names can sometimes prove difficult.


Watch out for:

a) the initial capital letter being preceeded with a flourish;
    [Sometimes quite florid.]

b) the remaining graphic of the initial letter sloping down steeply from left to right;
    [With accompanying non-orthogonal orientation.]

c) the initial letter occupying a disproportionate length;
    [As much as three non-capital-letters' worth.]

d) the legs of letters being drawn as loops, and not meeting at the top.
    [Presumably to avoid smudging of the ink.]


This frequently results in scriptively-written names being interpreted as commencing with an "extra" second letter.

[Those commencing with an initial capital letter of "B", "H" or "M" seem particularly susceptible.]

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So, Perhaps the placename is "Mossley"?

This does exist.
It lies outside of Belfast, a few miles to the North.

It hosted a large cotton mill once.
[The factory went defunct, but the building is occupied as offices by Newtownabbey Town Council today.]


Your GGGM's marriage certificate should indicate her place of marriage and the occupations of some of the parties.

These might provide some support for the suggested re-interpretation above.

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Could the certificate be from the "wrong" continent?!


Port Fairy in Victoria, Australia was known as Belfast from 1843-1877.  There seems to have been a town named Crossley nearby.

[... but then there was no Co. Antrim there then ... ]


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WHITTLE - Dublin, Glenavy, Muckamore, Belfast; Jamaica; Norfolk (Virginia), Baltimore (Maryland), New York
CHAINE - Ballymena, Muckamore, Larne
EWART, DEWART - Portglenone, Ballyclare
McAFEE, WALKER - Ballyrashane

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Re: Crossley, Co. Antrim
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 24 June 08 15:57 BST (UK) »
Karen- is it an actual certificate (civil registration) or a place in a church marriage register? If it is a certificate then could you post the bit with 'Crossley' on it so we could see if we can figure it out?
If it is a civil certificate then it is the residence of the bride and groom listed at the time of the marriage which may not be where there family actually lived.
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!

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Re: Crossley, Co. Antrim
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 24 June 08 16:09 BST (UK) »
Hello Karen,

John Crossley of Lisburn, Co. Antrim was a subscriber to Samuel Lewis' Topographical Dictionary of Ireland in 1837. I can't visualise this gentleman living in a street of houses
for factory workers. It's possible that the area where he lived was known by the locals
as Crossley. www.libraryireland.com/topog/subsc.php

Christopher