Bonallie and Docherty deaths Sunderland

[scruffypup]

Hi Liz

I'm amazed that Sarah lived so long, thank you ever so much for finding her.  Teresa was one of twins she was stillborn the other Terence my cousin is alive and well.  I don't know about  John L, will ask the other Bonallie family, we divide into 2 after the 1920's two sets of cousins, all the rest of the family were girls so the name disappeared, Leeds ones are ours,  Sunderland could be either side of the family. If you see Julie 1962 that's me.

yours Julie

[lizdb]

hope I wont find Julie 1962 as I am still looking through deaths!!!!

I have just done 1881-1891, hoping to pick up anyone who died between the censuses, thus explaining why they couldnt be found!

bUT the only Bonallie death in those years is:

AMJ 1883 Grace, aged 28, Middlebro area ref 9d 408

So everyone else who was on 1881 census must be SOMEWHERE in 1891 (unless died abroad)

[lizdb]

Alexander Bonallie born 19/9/1820  Fife Scotland  (My great great grandfather)
William Bonallie born 1848  Sunderland  (my Great Uncle)
Robert Bonallie born 1849 Sunderland  (my Great Grandfather)
Alexander Bonallie born 1853 Sunderland (my Great Uncle)
Robert Bonallie 12 April 1882 born in Middlesbrough moved back to Sunderland believed to  have died in 1926 (my Grandfather)
Sarah Bonallie (nee Docherty) born 8 Sept 1886 Sunderland  (my Grandmother)

Right just to recap:
from your original list, just looking at Bonallies, we now have
Alexanders (born 1820) death
Roberts birth in 1849
Alexanders birth in 1854 and death in 1926
Robert's death in 1926
Sarah's death in 1959


Just leaves William's birth and death , and the older Robert's death.

Not bad!

I will leave the Docherty's and others to someone else, or you may like to look yourself and enjoy the thrill of the chase!

[scruffypup]

Hi Liz

OOps serves me right for getting carried away talking about cousins being born getting my births and deaths mixed up.  Just been for another look on ancestry found my aunts and mum on there.  We don't do credit cards so that's why I'm not a full member on Ancestry and the other premium sites, Genes Reunited is ok because you can use postal orders, don't seem to like them on Ancestry.  

Just started typing and your reply came through, will go back on Ancestry try the Docherty's again and dogherty's that sometimes work, not related to Pete Doherty as far as I know not many over the top  pop stars in our family ;)Thanks again, yours Julie

[lizdb]

I'm not a full member either - the things I found were all free. It is a case of searching through the full indexes quarter by quarter, not just keying a name into a database.
I put the link in an earlier thread.

But I am pleased to help - I found these Bonalies very rewarding to search for!

[scruffypup]

Hi Liz

I found a lucky break on my mum's side today keyed in Harriet Watchorn and found all her side of the family through Arthur on Genes Reunited, was able to let him see the Lyon's on my side for his family tree, unfortunately the Bonallie's have so many variations of name.  I'm trying a hunch some of the missing ones may have gone to America, as there are Bonallie's out there, the most frustrating is a guy called Harold Bonallie can't message him direct on Ancestry will try to find a Bonallie link and leave him a contact message.  I've told everyone I know about Rootschat, it was someone on Genes Reunited who told me about this site or would never have known about it.   Thanks again for all the help you've given me, off for a look on Ancestry now.

Yours Julie

[lizdb]

I'm still trying to find death of Robert, born 1849.

He married Grace Trueman in AMJ 1880, and they are on 1881 census with this 8 yr old child John William Lawerence.

I have not seen the actual image, but you say he is described as son.

This seems to have an air of mystery. If he was Robert's son from a previous marriage, he would have the surname Bonallie, and I have looked through births 1872-74 and there are no possibilties under Bonallie. But if he were Grace's child then I guess he would have surname Trueman - not Lawerence or Bonallie!

Now Grace dies in 1883, so Robert, whever he is in 1891, is either a widower or remarried

Perhaps he is the one who emigrates to America and starts the line there

[scruffypup]

Hi Liz

Told you we were a complicated lot , Grace Sidney/Trueman is down on her wedding certificate (June 10 1880) to Robert as widow, and Robert bachelor, Grace married William Barnes Trueman in 1872, it appears they had a son called John William, why he is called Lawerance on the 1881 census is beyond me, can't find any Lawerances on either side of the family Truemans or Sidney's, he must have been taken in by the Trueman's when Grace died and on the 1891 and 1901 census becomes John William Trueman.  I can't find Robert 1882 anywhere on the 1891 census but it seems strange that he was taken in by his Uncle Alexnder Bonallie's family and was living with his cousin Harriet Donkin by the 1901 census.  Another Bonallie quirk, he is mentioned as brother in law to William Donkin but he is not Harriet's brother he is her cousin!!!

If you look under the photo restoration section you'll see one of the photos I've posted is of Sarah (Docherty) Bonallie, her sons Joe and Bob and an old man its around 1914 as that was when Joe was born.  It can't be her father Patrick Docherty as I think I've found his death, so it's either Alexander or Robert, Robert would be about 65, Alexander about 60 by then, that's what prompted me to start searching to see if it's my great uncle or great grandfather.  It's strange how Robert 1849 vanished.  There is another photo of Sarah also on the same section with a sailor who I believe is Robert 1882. There were 3 photos in the set, the other was Sarah and the boys I think they must have been taken for when Robert went off to join the merchant navy in WW1.

Yours Julie

[lizdb]

I guess if Robert 1882 was taken in by Uncle Alex and family, when his mum died in 1893, he grew up almost as a brother to Harriett
But then, if that was the case you'd expect to find him aged 9 with that family in 1891, yet it seems he doesnt appear with them till 1901.
I wonder if he is just badly mistranscribed on the index - or if he and his Dad did go off to America or something, and then he came back to his uncles when he was older.