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Re: When is a little information enough?
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 09 November 06 17:29 GMT (UK) »
What is her birthplace on the 1881 census entry?

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Re: When is a little information enough?
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 09 November 06 17:35 GMT (UK) »
Who did she marry in 1868,so we can have a look and see if we can find them.

Did they have any children by 1871?

And where in the country are you expecting them to be?

I wouldn't have thought her dad would have gone from being a labourer to being a basket maker,unless he was invalided in some way- possibly by becoming blind.

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Re: When is a little information enough?
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 09 November 06 17:56 GMT (UK) »
HI again

I think I have found the family in 1871.Transcribed as DIXEY.

Living at 79 High Street Buckingham.RG10/1423 folio 65 page 12

William Dixey head 22 umbrella maker b Wantage Berks
Caroline wife 22 hawker b Denethorpe Northants
Henry son 2 b Buckingham
Emily J dau 6 mths b Gawcott? Bucks.

But this is the problem, father in law Henry Farmer 53 hawker b Buckland Bucks
Caroline Farmer his wife 49 b Spitalfields Middx.

They can't be Caroline's parents- so whose are they?

Her age and place of birth certainly fit with her Northants birth from 51 and 61.
If they were travellers you might never find her birth registration.
They were notoriously suspicious of officials and often did not register their babies.
They should have been proscecuted but often weren't.

Do these kids names ring a bell?

Carol

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Re: When is a little information enough?
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 09 November 06 18:35 GMT (UK) »
Wow this changes things and just shows that I have been incorrectly looking at the wrong Smith family.

My forebears marriage certificate shows William Dicksey  a mis-spelling of Dixey, marrying Caroline Smith, her father Edward Smith.

My GGfather Henry's birth certificate shows his mother as Caroline Dixey formerly Smith.

Williams father was Henry Dixey (a hawker) his mother Caroline Castle.

Maybe these are Williams’s parents going under another name?

I was under the impression that Williams father Henry had died in 1870 and his mother Caroline Dixey was resident in Wallingford workhouse in 1881. So I may have got this wrong also.

I'm more confused than ever now and need to sit down and work out what it is that I do know for sure. ???


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Re: When is a little information enough?
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 09 November 06 18:47 GMT (UK) »
Although Deenthorpe appears to be on the doorstep of Benefield the place where the Caroline Smith that I have been tracking was born, could this be the same person or just another Caroline Smith?

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Re: When is a little information enough?
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 09 November 06 20:08 GMT (UK) »
Baz

Start with what you DO know- who is your dad and grandad and confirm those facts first.............then move back to the previous generation.

We need to find out who these Farmer's were.......maybe as his mum was Caroline and hubby died, she remarried a Mr Farmer? And the words 'in law' were used in a different sense......ie Step dad perhaps.

Yes Denethorpe and Benefield are very near each other- I'm not far from either  ;D

Will see what else I can find for you.

Regards

Carol
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Re: When is a little information enough?
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 09 November 06 22:28 GMT (UK) »
I have found the Farmers in 1861-although they are lodging with others in Wallingford St Leonard Berks.

Sadly it gives us no clues as to who they are/were.

Will try them in 1851 next.

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Re: When is a little information enough?
« Reply #16 on: Friday 10 November 06 14:59 GMT (UK) »
Known facts.

My G/f Henry Dixey b 1868 Buckingham. His father was William Dixey an umbrella mender. His mother Caroline formerly Smith.

William Dixey married Caroline Smith in Buckingham1868. Williams’ occupation, hawker. Williams father Henry occupation labourer, Caroline’s’ father Edward occupation labourer.

William Dixey b 1849 Wantage, his father Henry Dixey a hawker. His mother Caroline formerly Castle.

I have other records relating to William Dixey including his subsequent marriages and censuses for 1881, and 1901.

Other facts that I believe are connected with the above.

From the marriages register St Leonard’s Wallingford, 29/09/1845 Henry Dixey fa Bach otp Lab s/o John-Lab.
Caroline Castle fa sp otp d/o Joseph-Lab.

From free BMD, Henry Dixey died 1880 age 56yrs Wallingford.

From 1881 census Wallingford workhouse, Caroline Dixey inmate pauper age 63yrs born Hagbourne Berks.

Now the similarity between the 1871 census which names Henry Farmer and Caroline Farmer and their entry in the 1861 census where they are residing in Wallingford seems quite unusual given my assumption that Henry Dixey and Caroline Castle were married in the same area of Wallingford. As Carol said previously maybe they used the name Farmer for some reason? Although there is still a discrepancy relating to Caroline Castles place of birth, i.e. the 1881 census gives place of birth Hagbourne and Caroline Farmers place of birth is given as Spitalfields. Also the ages between the Dixey’s and the Farmers do not match, although can census returns be relied on to be 100% accurate in that respect as William is noted as being 61yrs in 1881 when in fact he was 31yrs.

Thanks for your interest in my little conundrum.

Barry.

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Re: When is a little information enough?
« Reply #17 on: Friday 10 November 06 15:04 GMT (UK) »
Barry

Funnily enough I was just looking at your little problem  ;D

Why don't you ask a moderator to move this to the Bucks board.

Maybe someone there has access to some local knowledge or parish records.

I'm still looking mind you  ;)

Carol
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