Robert CARTER marriage to Elizabeth on Boyd's/ Pallot's early 1820's? COMPLETED

[Keith Sherwood]

Jan,
I've just had another look at things, and if J.W.CARTER turns out to be the only possibility re discovering his mother's maiden name, here are the (conflicting) pieces of evidence that make up the jigsaw.
On his grave in Melbourn it clearly states that he was born on April 10th 1840...
The only entry that comes anywhere close to being in the zone for his birth (and I personally trawled through those heavy ledgers at the FRC on my way down to the Hastings Rootschat Meeting in September) was the June 1839 quarter entry for a Joseph Walker (sic) CARTER in East London vol 2 page 104.
The registration area could tally with his London birthplace given in Censuses, and perhaps they got his birth date wrong by a year when they inscribed his headstone.
I really think I ought to bite the bullet and order the June 1839 birth certificate and see...Unless you manage to come in with a Mary Ann CARTER squeezing in after July 1837...
keith

[janan]

I think Joseph Walker seems very likely despite the birth year on his grave- Walker could even be Elizabeth's maidenname I suppose. I have posted one 1841 family on your Melbourn thread and was attempting to post another when RC became too busy to let me in. Will go back and have another go.
Jan

[Keith Sherwood]

Jan,
My take on it is that the "Walter" on the gravestone and in the various Censuses is correct, and that the "Walker" for the 1839 birth entry is a mistranscription by someone...
However, what you've managed to unearth re the 1841 Census in London has really opened things up.  There's an IGI entry for a Robert CARTER birth in 1788, parents Robert and Lydia, and this looks to be entirely the correct way backwards into the 18thC.
Regards,
keith

[Keith Sherwood]

Hi, Everyone,
The hunch about the birth certificate was (thankfully) entirely correct.  Joseph Walter (I sympathise with the person who transcribed it as "Walker", as the "t" could easily be interpreted as a "k") CARTER born 9th April 1839 No.16 The Minories; birth registered 14th May; father Robert CARTER of 16, The Minories, Aldgate; mother Elizabeth CARTER, formerly VANE...
So there we have it, there's even if I can recollect, the name VANE used in the family somewhere as a forename.
keith
Any sign of any Elizabeth VANE marriages in the early 1820's in London or Kent, possibly...?

[janan]

Hi Keith
Another step 
I've rechecked Pallots but no sign I'm afraid.
Jan

[Keith Sherwood]

Thanks for that, Jan...
keith

[Keith Sherwood]

Hi, Everyone,
Away for a short break in Denmark at the moment - dragged off for some serious pre-Christmas shopping (boo! I hate the whole commercialism of it all...), but managed to escape for a while to an internet cafe, so thought I'd tidy up a couple of things re the CARTER's and also bring up my second millenium of posts (hooray!).
Firstly, that birth certificate for Joseph Walter CARTER proves that his gravestone is incorrect, and should read that he was born on 10th April 1839, not 1840.
Secondly, I've also received a death certificate for Robert CARTER, father of the Robert whose name appears as a heading for this thread.  He died in Hackney in 1844 aged 86, so that narrows down his birth year, and he could indeed be the one born in 1756 in Rosemary Lane according to the IGI.  I reckon the CARTER family gradually progressed from the rag trade of Rosemary Lane/Petticoat Lane to the wholesale furniture business in The Minories, a little closer to The City.
Robert CARTER senior's rounded down age of 75 on the 1841 Census becomes a more accurate pointer to a possible birth/baptism date thanks to his death certificate.
Which all could lead one onto the question of which records should be accorded the greatest importance, and which take precedence over others.  I suppose one should always take National Registration dates from 1837 as a fairly foolproof starting point...
Perhaps this ought to be the subject of a Common Room post all on its own.
Having struggled with the Danish keyboard for a few minutes, I think I've now earned post number 2000...
Very best wishes,
Keith

[Barbara F]

Well done on your 2000 posts Keith - am glad to see that Christmas shopping is not keeping you away from your Carters. 
When is that will going to arrive?  I am sure we are all waiting as anxiously as you.  Maybe it will be on your doormat when you get home. 
Barbara

[Keith Sherwood]

Barbara,
That's one of the things that's nice about going away - imagining that there might be that long-awaited will of Robert CARTER (1788-1870) lying there.  Perhaps bills in brown envelopes instead...
Keith