Rae's of Polmont

[Gadget]

The 1851 census shows Peter as being born Linlithgow 
644 - 1 - 20
Alexander Row, Gorbals

Peter, 45, engineer, b. Linlithgow
Helen, 43, b. Govan
James, 26, ag lab, Linlithgow, Polmond (deaf and dumb)
Janet, 22, steam loom weaver, b. Govan
Elizabeth, 20, steam loom weaver, b. Govan
Helen, 17, steam loom weaver, b. Govan
Margaret, 14, steam loom weaver, b. Govan
John, 12, coal miner,  b. Govan

Gadget

Added, it's Linlithgow, Muiravonside - I've just enlarged it 

[Gadget]

Very strange - or not 

The 1861 has him Stirlingshire, Falkirk

Now living Cambussnethan 628 - 20 - 26

Peter, 55, coal miner, Stirlingshire Falkirk
Helen, 53,  b. Govan
John, 22,coal miner, b. Govan
Anne, 12, b. Govan
Agnes, 10, b. Govan
Helen Maxwell, grd d, 2, b. Govan

Gadget

[Gadget]

I cannot find them in the 1871 nor a death for Peter.

However, I have found a death for Thomas Rae, coal miner, at  Cambusnethan, widower of Jean Grant. Died, 22 Dec 1878, aged 75. Parents - James Rae and Elzabeth Anderson, both deceased. Informant was James Rae, son.

I assume that this might well be Peter's brother.

Gadget

Ooops - excuse my manners, I got carried away with the chase!

Welcome to Rootschat hmg 

[hmguk]

Thanks to both MonicaLes and Gadget. The info you have given me has helped, because I had no knowledge of any of those Censuses. I had thought that James Rae may have been his father, but got put off that idea by someone else! Will look more into that now. I have Peter's death as 1887 in Bellshill, but have not seen a certificate as proof. This was sent to me by some other geneology person who is a distant relation. Where could I find his death certificate, don't think Scotlands people goes that far back, does it?

[Gadget]

Hi hmg

Monica has had sight of his death cert. It gives the wrong parents names. We think the son had mixed up his mother, Helen's, parents up with Peter's parents.

All these certs and the censuses are on Scotlands People:

www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

Cheers

Gadget

[hmguk]

Thanks again. I will go to Scotlands people now and do some digging! Peter Rae & Helen Jack are my GtGtGt Grandparents.

[MonicaL]

As Gadget has just posted, the death cert. for Peter Rae is available on Scotlands People. I've just viewed it and see where some of the confusion lies. Peter died in Bothwell, Lanark in 1887 as you know. His son John reported the death. He was a widower by now, Helen Jack having died some years before.

I think we might have an element of misreporting on the death cert. for Peter's parents names. Son John has given has given John Rae, coal miner, and XXX Beveridge. This seems to be the info that has previously been given to you previously. As you have seen from the birth entry for Helen Jack, her parents were John and Janet Beveridge, this is also supported by the naming order of their children.

It's not uncommon for people when reporting deaths to make mistakes when giving this type of information (grief or sheer not remembering).

I think Gadget's info on a possible James Rae, coal miner and Elizabeth Anderson, look like the strongest possibilities for Peter's parents.

Monica

[MonicaL]

Before you start your research, you should have a look at these links here on RootsChat which explain what is available in terms of research sources and also how to maximise your use of Scotlands People, the official pay to view site for BMDs post 1855 and Censuses:

www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,24468.0.html

www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,43916.0.html

Regards.

Monica

[MonicaL]

This is Peter Rae's death entry on IGI:

1887   RAE PETER age 74 in BOTHWELL/LANARK    GROS Ref: 625/01 0255

And a good possibility for Helen Jack's entry (I haven't viewed this one):

1867   RAE   HELEN /JACK age 58 in  HIGH CHURCH GLASGOW CITY/LANARK   GROS Ref: 644/02 0005

In his 1881 Census entry, Peter is widowed and showing as born in Polmont! He is boarding in a ROY household (head also a miner) in 20 Stonecraigs Row (Double Houses), Cambusnethan, Lanark.

Regards.

Monica