Thomas & Miller families Swansea S.Wales

[Welsh Jen]

I have a Catherine Thomas who married into the Miller family in Swansea. If you see names of interest please contact me via this thread:

Descendants of John Thomas
Generation No. 1
1.  John1 Thomas was born Abt. 1830 in South Wales UK, and died Bet. 1856 - 1874 in South Wales UK.  He married Catherine ? December 22, 1852 in St Mary's Church Swansea South Wales. 

More About John Thomas & Catherine:
Address (Facts Pg): 1874, 3 Orchard St Swansea
John's Occupation: Coal Merchant

Marriage Notes for John Thomas and Catherine ?:
Witnesses to marriage:
William Evans & Margaret Rees

More About John Thomas and Catherine ?:
Marriage: December 22, 1852, St Mary's Church Swansea South Wales
   
Child of John Thomas and Catherine ? is:
2   i.   Catherine2 Thomas, born 1856 in swansea, Glamorgan South Wales; died March 22, 1917 in Swansea,South Wales UK.  She married George Miller December 22, 1874 in St Mary's Church Swansea South Wales; born 1853 in Bridport, Dorset, England; died October 24, 1936 in Swansea,South Wales UK.

Notes for Catherine Thomas:
Have been told by descendant that her name was Catherine Thomas, IGI records also state this However Marriage Cert (official document) states her name as Kate.

More About Catherine Thomas:
Address (Facts Pg): 1901, white  House Manselton Swansea
Burial: Abt. 1917, Cwmgelli Cemetery Treboeth buried with husband unmarked grave

Cwmgelli Cemetery
LOCATION
Cemetery Road
Off Golden Grove
Treboeth

Census: 1901, on census as Catherine, not Kate as on Marriage Certificate in 1874
Language spoken: 1891, English & Welsh Spoken

Notes for George Miller:
1881 Census Detail: Dwelling: 6 Pentre Gething
St John Near Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
   
George is mentioned in the Voter's Lists of 1888 - 9 (Page 77) Address 2 Pentregethin Rd Dwelling House

1891 Address: Pwlly Bowan Cottages,St.John,Swansea,Glamorgan.

1901 Address: White House Manselton St Johns

George was said to have been working on an estate in Bridport Dorset in England, and took a fancy to someone, this was not approved of and George was "Run out of town", he settled in Swansea S.Wales and married Catherine Thomas daughter of John Thomas and Catherine?

IGI Detail:
GEORGE MILLER  Male 
Event(s):
Birth:  1853   Bridport, Dorset, England
Death:  24 OCT 1936   

Parents:
Father:  GEORGE MILLER

Marriages:
Spouse:  CATHERINE THOMAS 
Marriage:  22 DEC 1874   St Mary'S, Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales

More About George Miller:
Address (Facts Pg): 1901, white  House Manselton Swansea

Birth Detail: 1901, Census states his birth swansea, 1881 census states Bridport Dorset as Birthplace

Burial: Bet. October - November 1936, Cwmgelli Cemetery Treboeth buried with wife Unmarked grave

Census: 1891, Pwlly Bowan Cottages, St John Swansea Glamorgan
During the Reign of:: Queen Victoria (The House of Hanover)
Language spoken: English
Occupation: 1874, Haulier

Marriage Notes for Catherine Thomas and George Miller:
marriage in Swansea  Oct - Dec 1874 (george Miller 11a 1015) Certificate states: Married in Parish Church according to the rites and ceremonies of the established church

George Miller and Catherine Thomas:
Marriage: December 22, 1874, St Mary's Church Swansea South Wales

[johntoday]

Hello Welsh Jen

I see you are researching a George Miller and Catherine Thomas. I also have a George Miller who married a Mary Ann Thomas, father James. I know the two families are not connected, but wondered if in your research you found my George. I have searched BMD and Ancestry, but cannot find his birth

1891 census living
7 Roberts Street, Roath, Cardiff
George Miller          head 30 yrs general labourer  born Cowbridge
Mary Ann (Thomas) wife  21yrs                              born Llangynwyd, Maesteg
William John           Son   2days old

1901 census 11 Roberts Street

Mary Ann           Head       32yrs
Elizabeth           Dau           8yrs                             born  Cardiff
George H          Son            4yrs                                      Cardiff
Arthur   J            Son           2yrs                                       Cardiff
Thomas C           Son           6 months                               Cardiff

1901 census

George Miller      S/law       38yrs                             born Cambridge
William J             G/son         9yrs                                      Cardiff
on day of census George, william were at  their in laws house

George age 38yrs married Mary Ann Thomas age 21yrs at Bridgend Registry on 16 July 1891, both living at Temple Street, Maesteg

1891 census George age 30yrs
1891 marriage cert    age 38yrs
1901 census George age 38yrs born Cambridge

On marriage cert George's father was Thomas Miller deceased Trade general lab:
Witness X the mark of James Thomas and Thomas C Thomas
George also signed with X

Mary Ann Thomas born c 1870 - 73 parents James born c 1846 Little Haven Pem: Elizabeth born c 1844  Southwick, Pem:
James parents were John Thomas born c 1820 Walton, Pem: Mary, Pem:
As you can see both are families use the same names but are not related (strange)

Found plenty of Georges but none born Cowbridge, things would be easier if he had the same year of birth and the same town on all documents,
Thankyou for any leads you can send me
John                                                                                                 

[Cas (stallc)]

Possible maiden name

Marriages Dec 1852

Jenkins  Catharine     Swansea  11a 671   
Thomas  John     Swansea  11a 671

Cas

[welshgirl]

Don't know whether this information is of use to you but, my grandmother lived on Pentregethin Road and about approx. 12 houses away was a property known as Ty Gwyn (White House).   It could be what you are looking for because is isn't very far from St. Johns Road.  It is still there but don't know whether it has been renamed over the years.  My grandmother knew the owners in the 60's, and I remember a doctor living there.  It is fairly easy to find because there is a big gap between Ty Gwyn and the next house because there is an opening which leads on to what is locally known as The Racecourse.

House numbers can't be entirely relied on either because I know renumbering took place many years ago.  Another change worth mentioning -  while I was growing up, the location was also renamed from Manselton to Gendros.

It might be worth mentioning also that there is a Pwll-y-Domen Road which still exists in Manselton.  I don't know whether there are cottages there.