Francis & Isabella Barham - where art thou?

[Genie Allergy]

Hi Folks,
Excuse me if I get any of this wrong but I'm losing my posting virginity with this one!

Can anyone come up with a bright idea where I might find my relatives Francis BARHAM and Isabella (nee Bailey) on the 1881 census?
I can find them both on the censuses up to 1871 in the London/Middlesex area and then they seem to disappear off the face of the earth.   Francis died in 1883 and Isabella in 1899, so 1881 is my last chance to find out where he went before the great cab rank in the sky (you can tell my ancestors were "class") but I haven't managed to find Isabella on 1891 either.   I've tried all sorts of variations of both Christian name and surname;  tried looking around where children are recorded as living but so far no luck.   Do I just have to accept that they went to ground between 1871 and death?

[runningbear]

hi genie,

BIG BIG welcome to rootschat




 can you post your details from the 1871 census as it may help with the 1881

Joe

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Hi Joe
Many thanks for the rapid response.

The details I'm holding at present are:

1871 Census RG10/404. Folio 8, page 9, Household schedule 46 14 Beckford Square (off Old Street)
FRANCIS Barham Head of Household, married.   Age 63.   coach trimmer.   Born Sfk.
Living with Isabella Barham, wife, married, age 57.  No occ. Born London
Children:  John, son unmarried 18 errand boy born London.
Susannah daughter unmarried 17, box maker, born London
Elizabeth, daughter unmarried, 13, box maker, born London.


Died 8 December 1883 at 4 Bracklyn Street Hoxton.   He was shown as a carriage Tacker (Packer - first letter could be a P).
Cause of death Senile decay and chronic bronchitis.   Death registered by Daughter Marri Read

Many thanks for any leads you might be able to provide.
Genie

[runningbear]

hi genie, this is a bit of a long shot, but i think your isabella may have remarried, there is a marriage in 1881 for isabella barham in hartlepool?

i cannot find her either in the 1881 census, you said in your first post that isabella died in 1889, was her death registered as barham?

Joe

[suzard]

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Died 8 December 1883 at 4 Bracklyn Street Hoxton.   He was shown as a carriage Tacker (Packer - first letter could be a P).
Cause of death Senile decay and chronic bronchitis.   Death registered by Daughter Marri Read

Hi Genie,
I have been trying to find daughter Marri Read-or any connections with Hoxton in 1881 -and this is what I have come up with
1851 Frank /Isabella Barham have 8 children - one is Maria age 2
1861 Francis/Isabella have 7children -one is Maria age 9, they also have 3 lodgers -Henry Pound, Samuel Reed and George Reed
Did daughter maria marry a Read? I haven't found a marriage
Francis and Isabella's daughter Isabella did marry Samuel Reed *the lodger of 1861!!
Thought they may have had a daughter called Maria Read, but can find no evidence???
1971 Samuel and Isabella Read have 3 children -one is daughter Isabella age 8 -who by 1891 had married Mark Ralph and had 4children -3 of whom were born Hoxton! also Isabella Ralph*nee Read) had brother William living with them.
I can find no trace of Isabella Read snr in 1891,but have found a death in 1887
Hope these census may help in some way
1851
8 Finsbury Place St Lukes
Frank Barham 39 Porter Suffolk
Isabella 34 Mddsx Cripplegate
Isabella 14 Cripplegate
Francis 12 Cripplegate
henry 10 Cripplegate
Rebecca 7 Cripplegate
George 5 ST Lukes
Lydia 3 St Lukes
Maria 2 St Lukes
Infant not baptised yet daughter 1month St Lukes
HO107 1523 245 5

1861
106 Old Street St Lukes
Francis barham 57 Coal dealer Suffolk
Isabella 45 Mddsx St Lukes
Isabella 24 Mddsx cripplegate
Frank 22 Dyer St Luke
George 15 Smith St Luke
Maria 9 St Luke
John 7 St Luke
Susannah 5 St Luke
Elizabeth 3 St Luke
Samuel Reed lodger U 22 Porter St Luke
George Reed lodger U 20 Bookbinder St Luke
Henry Pound lodger U 20 Labourer St Luke
RG9 205 4 12

Marriage freeBMD
Dec qtr 1861 Shoreditch
on same page
Samuel Read
Isabella Barham
1c 317

1871 3 Friendly Place St Luke
Samuel Read 31 Wine porter
Isabella 29
Isabella 8
Kate 6
Samuel 4
all b. London
RG10 411 65 3

FreeBMD death reg
Dec qtr 1887
Mile End
Isabella Read age 48
1c 355

1891
Antwerp st hackney
Mark Ralph 32 Gas Stoker Warwicks leamington
Isabella 27 Army brace stitcher St Lukes
Mark 6 Hoxton
Thomas C 7 Hoxton
James 5 Hoxton
Samuel 2 Hackney
Henry 1 Hackney
William Read brother in law 17 Door Porter St Luke
RG12 204 100 32

Hope I haven't confused you -but maybe there is a clue in there ??

|Will look again tomorrow

Suz



1881
Gastiony Place Finsbury
Samuel read 41 Cellarman
Isabella 40
James 9
William 7
Ann Willis lodger W 51 Straw bonnet maker Hamps Southampton
RG11 362 50 21

[Genie Allergy]

'lo Joe
Thanks for this.   Isabella died in eighteen ninety nine, not eighty nine, so she should have been on the 1891 census but is hiding at the moment.   Her death was registered as Barham and in Shoreditch district which is where the family spent much of their life (what salubrious surroundings my ancestors lived in - although I'm told it's quite chic these days!).
Genie

[runningbear]

now i wonder if her daughter elizabeth married thomas beard?

i have found a mrs barham living with her daughter elizabeth beard in shoreditch in 1891

Joe

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Thanks Suz and Joe for the suggestions - I feel some certificates in need of ordering!

Genie

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Suz - just been checking through my certs. etc. and Rachel Maria Barham married a William Butt who died leaving her with a small William(!) - I hesitate to say little Willlie - and Rachel Maria Butt married a James Read.
Genie