John Middleton b.1811

[AJB]

Look up request please for the marriage of John Middleton
 b.1811, Stoney Middleton. Could have married Sept.1841 Derbyshire.Vol19.page395.  or not ?

                                           Thanks AJB

[suzard]

Do you have any more details ? e.g. wife's forename

The John Middleton I have found on census is consistant with his occupation -Wire drawer?
1841 in Ecclesall Yorks -no wife present
1851 haven't found him
1861 Ecclesall, widower
1871 Ecclesall, widower, living with brother in law John Corker and family
1881 married to Selina -stepdaughter surname Cockayne
If this is the correct John Middleton do you have him in 1851 ?
trying to narrow down when he would marry
if it was post 1841 probably the marriage may have been in Yorkshire?

Suz

 

[AJB]

Hi Suz. I think I've found him, in 1851,he's living in Sheffield with wife Amelia 36,dau.Mary Ann 3, son John 2, dau.Agnes 1 month. Piece 2342; Folio 235;
In 1861 he is down as "Joseph",which I reckon is an error as his wife and children's names are all the same and ages are compatible after 10 years! Piece 3497; Folio 8:
I haven't found him in 1871, but in 1881, he is as you say married to Selina aged 49, his stepson is William Cockayne. Selina is 21 years his junior so I presume this is his 2nd. marriage.
I am looking for his 1st. marriage which I work out as between 1840/1848. Amelia was born in Stoney Middleton.
           regards Alan.

[suzard]

Hello Allen,

Do you think the John/Joseph married to Amelia is the one you are looking for?
On all census I have found from 1841 he gives occ as wire drawer, but the one you have found married to Amelia gives occ as railway porter

This is the John Middleton I found in 1861
Attercliffe cum Darnell
57 feppeaster? lane
John White 41 File Forger Yorks Wentworth
Mary 40 Lancs Rochdale
Elizabeth 11 manchester
Hannah 9 Manchester
Henry 7 manchester
Eliza 5 Sheffield
James brierley apprentice U 17 File Cutter Manchester
JOHN MIDDLETON LODGER Widower 49 WIRE DRAWER STONEY MIDDLETON
RG9 3500 40 21

?
Will have a look at the 1851 you found.

Suz

[suzard]

Looks like the ones you found are Joseph
There is this marriage
FreeBMD
Jun qtr 1846
Sheffield
on same page
Joseph Middleton
Amelia Bradley
22 552

and as Teresa Bradley (aunt) was with them in 1851 it looks as if this is the marriage and John 1851 is really Joseph???
So wouldn't be the John you are seeking??

Suz

[suzard]

John Middleton in 1871 is with his brother in law John Corker and wife Ann.
So maybe John's wife was a Corker(she's certainly a corker to find!!!!!)
Couldn't find any John Middletons married to a Corker
but
did find a possible marriage in 1852 Sheffield district -on same page there is John Corker and Hannah Lambert
so possibly John Middleton was married to a Lambert??
Found FreeBMD
Marriage 1842
Dec qtr Bakewell (Stoney middleton comes under this district)
on same page
John Middleton
Hannah Lambert
19 349

if this is your John's marriage -the problem is there are numerous deaths for Hannah Middleton in Bakewell and Shefield between 1843 -1861!!!!

Suz

[AJB]

Hello Allen,

Do you think the John/Joseph married to Amelia is the one you are looking for?
On all census I have found from 1841 he gives occ as wire drawer, but the one you have found married to Amelia gives occ as railway porter

This is the John Middleton I found in 1861
Attercliffe cum Darnell
57 feppeaster? lane
John White 41 File Forger Yorks Wentworth
Mary 40 Lancs Rochdale
Elizabeth 11 manchester
Hannah 9 Manchester
Henry 7 manchester
Eliza 5 Sheffield
James brierley apprentice U 17 File Cutter Manchester
JOHN MIDDLETON LODGER Widower 49 WIRE DRAWER STONEY MIDDLETON
RG9 3500 40 21

?
Will have a look at the 1851 you found.

Suz

Hello Suz,

[AJB]

Hello Allen,

Do you think the John/Joseph married to Amelia is the one you are looking for?
On all census I have found from 1841 he gives occ as wire drawer, but the one you have found married to Amelia gives occ as railway porter

This is the John Middleton I found in 1861
Attercliffe cum Darnell
57 feppeaster? lane
John White 41 File Forger Yorks Wentworth
Mary 40 Lancs Rochdale
Elizabeth 11 manchester
Hannah 9 Manchester
Henry 7 manchester
Eliza 5 Sheffield
James brierley apprentice U 17 File Cutter Manchester
JOHN MIDDLETON LODGER Widower 49 WIRE DRAWER STONEY MIDDLETON
RG9 3500 40 21

?
Will have a look at the 1851 you found.

Suz

Hello Suz,
                 Thanks for all your research.
 The person I want is definitely married to Amelia! I thought the name error was in 1861 (John/Joseph), when in fact the error was in 1851 (Joseph/John)) So.... it's not John I'm looking for!  It's Joseph Middleton b. Stoney Middleton c.1811., married Amelia Bradley in Sheffield 1846.
    Is he in the Derbyshire Census of 1841?
  I can't find him in  the Sheffield  Census.  regards Al.

[suzard]

It's difficult to tell which Joseph Middleton is yours in 1841-there are Derbys and Yorks ones who are possibilities-his d.o.b. is given as 1810/11 on various census -so on 1841 (with rounding down) could be between 1805-11.
Maybe his marriage cert would give his father and whether he was married previously???

Suz