David Daniel - census 1841

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1851- HO107 Piece 2464 Folio 221 Page 41

J. M Row Llanguick, Glam

David Daniel 57 hd, m, smith  Carmarthenshire
Magdalen Daniel 59 "
Elizabeth Daniel 22  "
Margaret Daniel 19  "
Thomas Davis 45  lodger,  mar, lab "
Titus Davis 35  lodger, unmar collier "

Ages are out although this is the same family...so possible John from 1841 could be on the 1851 with your family?

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1861 - RG9 Piece 4091 Folio 22 Page 38

Cannot read addess - No 31  ?? Llanguick

David Daniel 67 hd, m, blacksmith Llanelly, Carmarthenshire
Magdala Daniel 70 " "
Eliza Daniel 38 dau unmar " "

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See the family moved to Ystradyfodwg, (Rhondda)

Marriages from Ystradyfodwg index

DANIEL JENKIN, full age, Bach, father DAVID married EVANS ANN , Spinster, father WILLIAM on 6/12/1875 by banns in YSTRADYFODWG      

DANIEL DANIEL, 28, Widower, father, DAVID married SAMUEL MARY age 23 spin, father DAVID on 22/7/1879 by Banns in YSTRADYFODWG   

HOWELLS   WILLIAM   Full age, bach, father THOMAS   married DANIEL ELIZABETH   Full age, Spin, father DAVID on 1/4/1871   by Banns in YSTRADYFODWG
   
RICHARDS JOHN age 25, Bach father WILLIAM married DANIEL MARGARET age 23, Spin, father DAVID on 31/5/1884 by Banns in YSTRADYFODWG   
   
EDWARDS    JOHN age 22, bach, father GEORGE married DANIEL MARY age 21, Spin father DAVID on 25/12/1890 by Banns in YSTRADYFODWG   

These are for Treorchy Cemetery, which are possible burials for where your folk were living in 1891, you can get internment records via email from Treorchy Reference library.  check bottom for other burial numbers which will tell you if any others are in plot.

Possibles....David and Gwen are alive 1891 in Blaencwm, Rhondda, cannot locate on 1901

Burial number 9777,Daniel,Gwenllian, died 1892

Burial number 11000, Daniel,David, died 1894

Burial 11571,Daniel,Daniel, died 1895

Have not looked for any others.

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[welshjo]

Thank you very much for the information.

I've been to Treorchy Library and got copies of records - which is where another problem with this family starts.

Elizabeth Daniel married William Howells. In 1871 they are newlyweds living with David and Gwenllian. No trace in 1881. I have located a burial of a daughter Rachel in the grave that goes on to be the grave of David and Gwenllian. On the bottom of the interment notice of Rachel (daughter of William who purchased the grave) there is a note saying grave transferred see over. But the copies in the Library are one sided only - so there is no over!
I can't find the family in 1881 at all.
I did locate a similar family travelling to USA in 1882 aboard the Baltic but cannot locate this family in 1881 either.

So as you can see I have problems with Elizabeth and going backwards with certainty from David.

Any help by anyone would be gratefully appreciated.

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Hi WelshJo,

It is a very good possible that the 1841 is his family, as 1861 David senior & wife were born Llanelly.  You know that there was also a son, David, around the right age. Is there an Occ. on his marriage cert for father?

I would post on the Carms board to see if Welshlady can find a marriage for David senior and Magdelen or perhaps another that fits, around 1820's or so.  Post this link so she will know info.  There is an extracted record on IGI, do not know if this is near Llanelly.

DAVID DANIEL 
Christening:  20 MAR 1825   Llandilo Fawr, Carmarthen
Parents:
  Father:  DAVID DANIEL 
  Mother:  MAGDALEN     
 
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