new to FH and stuck already and it's only just out of living memory!

['yr un drewllyd']

I'm just wondering if the John Williams from the thread below this one is the same John Williams?

Yes, progress is a funny old thing. Has the whole building gone or has it changed use?

thanks for that Cas,
Isn't that a little strange from the 1971 census, William Williams born about 14 years before my William Williams to the same parents. Maybe Catherine "Kate" Williams had an ilegitimate child when she was 18 and named him after a dead baby brother?
I'm thinking that there is something fishy going on here, maybe I'm just being silly!

['yr un drewllyd']

Thanks for the tips Wendi 

[Garethboxing]

Yes, progress is a funny old thing. Has the whole building gone or has it changed use?

I'm not sure what might be left. I haven't been to Merthyr for a while, but speaking from memory I think the half-timbered bit may still be there. Perhaps someone who lives there might reply. Alternatively, if you're planning to get in touch with the Merthyr Register Office the helpful ladies there will know - their office is only 100 yards or so away.
      Gareth

[Cas (stallc)]

He is down as son.  Did not post all details as thought you would view the image.  

I would think that the first William died, and the second (your granddad )was named after him, as was in many the case.  

You can also obtain burial records from, Merthyr.gov, via email. They did not charge me, but on the website they say there is a charge.  The email given me by Aberdare Library is

Debbie.Hughes@merthyr.gov.uk

I would try it, the Globe address or 37 High St, would be a good indicator that you have the right Williams family.

Good luck, Gwenllian is still alive in 1901 at the Globe with her three daughters unmarried.

Cas

['yr un drewllyd']

Just for the record William is my  Grandad, his son Gwylim is my Grandad. I didn't realise that was a common practice to name a a child after 1 that had had died.

Many thanks for the tips and adresses. I know sop much more than I did when I woke up this morning.

Thanks/Diolch

[Wendi]

Yer but I bet you haven't earned your crust today! That's Rootschat for you 

Have you been able to access the census pages on Ancestry via the references everyone has given you today?  It'll be worth going back thro' them and giving all the info some thought.

Catherine was born at Cwmdare

Could the parents have been married in Cwmdare......

Wendi

['yr un drewllyd']

Nope, I've not done a lot realy. There's a pile wood waiting to be chopped and the gunea pigs haven't even gone out ................. I can blame those 2 on the weather! I've had to do the Christmas cards tonight and I'm in at work tomorrow
I feel there's something wrong with the way I search. How hard can it be!
Using the references that you've given me though I've got the details all printed off and filed away.
I was interested to see that although they ran a pub/hotel in the centre of an industrial city they didn't put "both" on the language section of the census in1891 but Welsh. they obviously spoke English to have written "Welsh". I'd been told they were very nationaliststic. My Grandad only ever spoke Welsh to me even though he ran a bank in Wembley!
I've a lunch date with his 98 yearold sister-in-law next week on the Llyn peninsula. Hopefully they'l be somone there to translate!
thanks for all your help today.
Any tips on hat to say to the grt aunt next week?
Nos da

[Wendi]

My Grandad only ever spoke Welsh to me even though he ran a bank in Wembley!

You must treasure that, he was obviously a wise man 

A lunch date with a 98 year old in law - I'd give my eye teeth for one of those! Take your camera and some form of recording devise - seriously - obviously ask her is she minds being recorded, but in the moment much is missed, and it's convenient to have something to go back over.

The camera is not just for beautiful photos of you and her, it's for snapping anything that she puts in front of you, heirlooms, documents etc. If she objects to the recordings scribble hard, even off the hand statement can hold good in the future.

Have a lovely time together!

Wendi - (giving her eye teeth) 

['yr un drewllyd']

Hi Wendi,

Sometimes you don't appreciate things until they are no longer there!

Unfortunately my Great Uncles wife is not well and the lunch has been postponed until "Sometime in the new year". I do hope she's alright.

My grandad, and his brother (Her husband) fell out in 1965 and never spoke again. Her son tracked down my Mum from the anouncement in the Telegraph of my dads passing. We've yet to have the rebuilding of bridges but have spoken on the phone a few times.

I was fortunate enough to have a 102 year old relative until earlier this year. She too, was not a direct relative but (wait for it) my great Aunts "partner" since 1923! My great Aunt died in 2000.