I have an ancestor but....

[Kevwood]

Just another thought, what if Robert Henry Maiden was Scottish or Irish, then he wouldn't be in the birth registers or the censuses if he went to Wales after 1901 when he would have been 20.

Kev.

[Carino]

Hello Wendy,  Gardener and Kev,

Thank you to the three of you for helping me.  I don't live in Wales any more as I am now living in Spain and I am unable to get to the local Registry offices.

Irish and Scottish did enter my mind quite a while back but I did ask my father who remembers him slightly and a cousin of my fathers if they could tell me anything about him that may help with my search and all that was said was that he wore a waistcoat jacket, he was bald with a big belly and he was lazy     accents were not  mentioned but I can ask again.

Gardener,  I don't recognize 4 of the names that you have given but the death of Arthur in 1893 Bridgend and the marriage of Elizabeth I do recognize,  In the  1891 census its got all their birth dates and I have searched Freebmd and ancestry.co.UK and they are all impossible to find, if I find one that I think could be the one I then search for a sibling and come up empty making me think then this is not the one either.   Another thing in the 1891 census Elizabeth is living in Glamorgan with some of her children,  she is classed as a wife but there is no husband within the household, its quite possible he is ill as he is dead in 1893  but I can't find him any where,  if he was in hospital on the night of the census wouldn't he be registered ?

I will try an get Elizabeth's marriage certificate, see what I can find on there.

Thank you once again,  I really do appreciate it.  Thank you

[Tees]

Hi Carino,

I think your Maidens may be Scottish as suggested by Kev.

I found a marriage record for an Arthur Madine & Elizabeth Loudon up in Glasgow, Scotland.

Will ask a good and very kind Rootschatter to look in for us and to see if there is a son named Robert as well.

Another thought here--your Robert may not be registered under his name, probably under other forenames you were not aware of. Even surname's spelling may be off the mark than you thought.

Do you know if he ever serve in any military service? Perhaps it will enable you to find out his birth date.

Kind regards,

Tees

PS Will be right back with you shortly.

[Tees]

Hi Carino,

I am back here with a not so good news--a kind rootschatter did look up on that Scottish marriage record for us--it does not sound so good for the Arthur was not in any way related to the coal industry.

She even tried to locate any birth record on your Robert Henry. Could not find it.

  

You may have something to chew on for a bit unless you get more information for us to work with.

1) Try to list the information from the census(es) without breaking the copyright laws--the Rootschat is pretty strict about this--especially their ages and birthplace. You never know if you got lucky if someone manage to find your Maidens!

2) How did you know whether the marriage record you have is a right one? Do you have any way to verify this record?

3) Ask your Dad or elderly relation especially the females if they had heard any interesting or odd family stories about your family's origins--that may clue you in.

4) Does your Dad know much about Arthur's wife? Perhaps we can work with her?

That is all I could think at this point.

Best wishes and every luck in your quest for finding your elusive Maidens.

Kind regards,

Tees

[Gadget]

Hi Carino

I've come into this thread a bit late, having being lured here by Tees

Can you recall where the people that you found on the 1881 census, Leicester were born?

OK - found then Arthur - b. Dorset, Elizabeth b.Wigan  Robert b. Rutland

Gadget

[Gardener]

Gardener,  I don't recognize 4 of the names that you have given but the death of Arthur in 1893 Bridgend and the marriage of Elizabeth I do recognize,  In the  1891 census its got all their birth dates and I have searched Freebmd and ancestry.co.UK and they are all impossible to find, if I find one that I think could be the one I then search for a sibling and come up empty making me think then this is not the one either.   Another thing in the 1891 census Elizabeth is living in Glamorgan with some of her children,  she is classed as a wife but there is no husband within the household, its quite possible he is ill as he is dead in 1893  but I can't find him any where,  if he was in hospital on the night of the census wouldn't he be registered ?

I will try an get Elizabeth's marriage certificate, see what I can find on there.

I wondered too if Arthur Maiden was alive in the 1891 census since Elizabeth is given as wife rather than widow (though people did make mistakes about this especially if the bereavement was recent). Then that would fit with the death for Arthur aged 41 in 1893. He might not have been ill, could have been working away from home. I couldn't find him in either Wales or England though.

The marriage for Elizabeth Ellen Maiden in 1892 is to either a James Donovan or John Williams.
The 1901 census has

Glamorgan,Egwysilan

James Donovan,head,28,pitsinker (?) well, Glam,Cardiff
Ellen E Donovan,wife,m,25,Leicestershire,Mowbray
Elizabeth A Donovan,dau,7,Glam,Abercynon

So, I think that is Elizabeth's daughter, the one who is 5 in 1881 and with her birth registered at Melton Mowbry in 1876.

[Carino]

Thank you everybody.

  My Father also remembers the family saying that the Maidens couldn't read or write and that they said a last name and the person that took the census wrote down what he thought,  so it could have been any surname that sounded like Maiden, my father also remembers that Robert  had sisters, but I can't remember if he said if they were living near to where Robert was living in Penrhiwceiber, something sticks in my mind that they were living near but again I must ask this,  now if this Elizabeth Ellen is living in Abercynon then its not far from Robert or from their mother Elizabeth who was also living in Abercynon with her new husband Patrick Clark which was in Sep 1983 a year after the daughters.

I have the marriage certificate for Robert and his wife Jannet Williams in 1907 Bedwellty, Monmouthshire, at the time of the marriage Robert was living with Jannet and her parents at  44, Church Street,  Aberbargoed, Roberts father had died by then but his profession was given as a miner, so was Robert's,  his fathers death could be the one in Bridgend 1893.

We don't know anything about Arthur or his wife the family has never spoken of them only of Robert and his wife Jannet who I have met when I was young,  she was very old and not very well, I also have two photos of her, one when she was young and one when she was old the time  I met her.

Thank you for all your help.