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Re: Graves/symbols/meanings
« Reply #27 on: Friday 12 March 10 22:40 GMT (UK) »
Hi Holly,
Have a look at Gravestones & Symbols http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,203252.0.html

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« Reply #28 on: Friday 12 March 10 23:50 GMT (UK) »
If the Knight depicted in effigy on a tomb died in battle in another land ,the body would not have been buried there, only the bones as knights had as part of their equipment a large cauldron in which the body was boiled  because otherwise there would inevitably be natural  decay and only  the clean bones (and the heart  which would have been preserved in some substance, possibly frankincense) returned to their family. At the site of the battle of Agincourt the museum there gives ,or gave last time we visited ,a detailed account of this.                                                      Tombs were below floor level, smallish vaults, and what you see is all above the coffin. In Bruges the tombs of Charles the Bold and his daughter Mary of Burgundy are partly opened to show the highly decorative paintings on the walls of the small underground chambers where the coffins or caskets lie.    Cor, this is getting ghoulish!Viktoria.

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« Reply #29 on: Thursday 16 July 15 23:16 BST (UK) »
The effigy dogs symbolize faithfulness to God, their Christian faith, specifically.  The lions symbolize that the person defended their faith, and, the crossed legs, as expressed correctly in an earlier post, was thought to represent Crusader Knights, or Knights Templar... I am personally of the belief that it represented or designated a Knight Templar as it is always portrayed in Templar Church effigies.  William Marshal's effigy would be such an example. 

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« Reply #30 on: Friday 17 July 15 00:11 BST (UK) »
surely they can't ALL have been in the crusades?

 
The ones with inside tombs will be the wealthy ones.  It was common back then for young men to go off on a jolly good holiday - the crusades.  That many DID go.  It was what they did, like a Gap Year for students these days really.
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« Reply #31 on: Friday 17 July 15 00:32 BST (UK) »
A very old thread with some interesting late replies coming in.

I was actually surprised to discover that I had started it!  ;D

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« Reply #32 on: Friday 17 July 15 06:12 BST (UK) »
The crossed legs is to show the man was in a battle and had no time to go.

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« Reply #33 on: Friday 17 July 15 07:22 BST (UK) »
We must not read too much into the symbols on tombstones and always bear in mind the context.
Whilst the symbols on ancient tombs such as many found in churches will have the specific meanings given later tombstones in graveyards may not.
Stone masons had books of patterns allowing the customer (the person buying the stone, not the person it is commemorating) the ability to choose what was carved on the stone.
In most of those books it was like a tatooist book of designs, pictures with no meanings.
The customer could ask for a symbol with no idea if it meant anything or just looked good.

Another book contained verses if a verse was required.
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« Reply #34 on: Friday 27 May 22 04:09 BST (UK) »
The picture of the painted knight in Hereford Cathedral is Humphrey de Bohun, 4th Earl of Hereford (1276-1322)

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« Reply #35 on: Friday 27 May 22 23:23 BST (UK) »
The effigy dogs symbolize faithfulness to God, their Christian faith, specifically.  The lions symbolize that the person defended their faith, and, the crossed legs, as expressed correctly in an earlier post, was thought to represent Crusader Knights, or Knights Templar... I am personally of the belief that it represented or designated a Knight Templar as it is always portrayed in Templar Church effigies.  William Marshal's effigy would be such an example.
Jinglebolix,I am reading a book about William The Marshal,A very noble man ,a true Knight and an honourable man .
Viktoria.