Missing in 1871 census

[skb]

If you think the marriage reference is correct then it's possible that both Josiah's were children of John and Sarah Ann.


(ps. the marriage is also shown on lancashirebmd and took place at Liverpool St Peter)

[DS]

Hello again Jayne

Have you seen this one before ?

1871

Liverpool RG10/3769 Folio 83 Page 3

John Rickson Head M 30 Carter Frodsham Cheshire
Ann do Wife M 30 Gloucestershire
George do Son 5 Scholar Birkenhead Lancashire
Robert do Son 2 Liverpool Lancashire
Joseph Brooks Grand Father Wid 68 Joiner Gloucestershire
Ann Johnson Serv U 18 General Servant Liverpool Lancashire

Address No 3 Court No 2, Liverpool

There are a lot off apparent differences but equally there are a lot of strong similarities and I cannot see this family (per se) being immediately apparent on any other census (but I have not looked thoroughly).

“Rickson” could be “Nickson“. Frodsham is very close to Overton (I think). Carter and Labourer are possible occupations without too much conflict. “Ann” could be “Sarah Ann” and she is from Gloucestershire. “George” could be “Josiah George” and he is from Birkenhead. Father, mother and first son are all the correct age. The Grandfather (presumably Ann’s father) is called Brooks and there is a possible marriage mentioned earlier of Sarah Ann Brooks. 

What do you think ?

DS

[DS]

Jayne

Still not done a thorough check but this is a good quick pointer to the above suggestion being valid.

I tried a search for a John Rickson born 1841 on Cheshire (hoping that he would not appear anywhere except in 1871). Alas, he appeared on the 1841 census but, do not despair too quickly, because on further investigation of HO107/97/8 Folio 24 Page 10 it becomes clear that the whole family are transcribed incorrectly and the surname on the original is clearly Nickson. It also says Frodsham along the top of the document and Overton down the side.

Therefore, since John Rickson born 1841 in Cheshire does not appear on any other censuses, I would conclude that, on the face of it, he is probably John Nickson and that the 1871 document is a researcher‘s nightmare.

DS

[DS]

Jayne

A bit more circumstantial evidence (following the pattern of omitted first names on the 1871 census !!!)

Birth

1869 Liverpool AMJ quarter 8b 97

John Robert Nickson

Death

1874 W. Derby JAS quarter 8b 354

John Robert Nickson Aged 5

DS

[JayneA]

Hi DS,

Thank you so much for going to all this trouble, I have looked at the census image now, I agree with you, Johns parents came from Frodsham as I have found them in the 1851, Johns Mothers name is Mary, and  there were 7 children.

So Robert is John Robert in the 1871 and he had died by the 1881, then they went on to have 2 more boys, (hence the 5 yr gap between Josiah and Thomas J who was my GGrandfather) The last Son William must have passed away too as he does not appear with them in the 1891 census.

This all makes sense now, I was checking on different spellings eg Nickson, Nixon, but never thought to change the first letter. I am also stuck on my Fathers side, so I will try changing the first letter in their surname too, they are Newton, so do you have any suggestions?

I am pretty new to all this, so I am learning new tricks everyday thanks to people like yourself who will go to the trouble for somebody they have never met before.

Thanks again DS, I hope you and your family have a Happy New Year.

Jayne from sunny Australia.

[JayneA]

Hi Again,

I just had a look on the 1841 and have found another 3 children, 3 girls I knew nothing about as they don't appear on the 1851, so thanks to your help I have uncovered more names.

thanks again DS.

regards

Jayne

[DS]

Hi Jayne

Thank you for your kind words and sorry I did not get back sooner (been otherwise engaged). 

If you are reasonably sure that it is the correct family I can tell you that the 1871 census entry has yet another twist.

The grandfather who is listed as Joseph Brooks was, I believe, actually called Josiah Brooks (which fits in well). I have found him and his family on all the earlier censuses and I think I also have his death registration. If you would like the references please let me know. I have not posted them here in case you would prefer the fun of finding them yourself. 

With regard to your Newton problems you could post another query on the appropriate board of this site if you wish and without doubt, someone will be able to help.

All the best for the New Year (which will reach you before us).

DS 

[DS]

Jayne

Regarding William, I think that these may be the relevant entries.

Birth

1880 Birkenhead JAS quarter 8a 545

William Nickson

Death

1881 Toxteth Park OND quarter 8b 223

William Nickson Aged 1

On the 1881 census the family lived at 126 Wolfe Street, Toxteth Park.

DS

[JayneA]

Hi DS,

thanks for the info on Williams death, that was a great help.

I have had a little play on Ancestry, but I think I have gone wrong somewhere, I will tell you what I have found and if you can tell me if I am wrong or right.

1841 Josiah Brooks Living with Mother Sarah Brooks and Brother James his Wife Ann and their Son Albert in Gloucestershire

1851 Josiah Brooks living with his Wife Elizabeth in Liverpool Occ Journeyman 4 children James Richard Ann and George.

But this doesn't make sense, because if I have the details right in the 1851, his Wife and Two children should appear with them in the 1841 as they were all born in Glos, so I am mightly confused now?

Thanks for helping out on all this.

regards

Jayne