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Linking the Bauers
« on: Thursday 04 January 07 05:43 GMT (UK) »
I have a lot of evidence about two Bauer families that appear to be linked, but I am having problems finding that last bit of proof.

In one family there is a Hugh BAUER, perfumer, born in Belfast Ireland in 1824 with father Joseph BAUER who was a cook. According to oral history, Joseph was supposed to have been a cook in the French Court.

Hugh became a partner in the company Osborne Bauer & Cheeseman, Perfumers to the Queen, with their premises in Golden Square, London.

In the other family there is Francois Joseph BAUER, baptised 27th June 1828 St James, Westminster, London
Parents: Joseph BAUER and Isabella ????? (possibly Leoffois???) 

Joseph BAUER had the occupation of cook in the 1851 census. He was given as born in Paris, France.

Francois BAUER became a cook, married Sarah Ann BLADES in 1851, had two sons before migrating to Victoria in 1856, his wife and children following two years later. His eldest son Frederick drowned in 1860, and by 1861 Sarah and younger son Francois junior were back in England with her parents. Sarah died in 1876, her son Francois junior returned to Australia, and Francois senior remarried in 1887. On his second marriage certificate both of his parents are named – Joseph BAUER and Isabella Leoffois (?????)

Meanwhile Francois had established the Isle of Wight Hotel on Phillip Island, where he used to greet his guests dressed as a French count. In the years between his two marriages he had another son whom he named Joseph.

Oral history in the Australian family has it that Francois was connected with the English firm of Osborne Bauer and Cheeseman.

Following a link up via a message board, an exchange of photographs by descendants of both the Canadian and Australian families shows remarkable family likenesses.

BUT finding a definite link between Hugh and Francois has so far proved impossible, so any suggestions/help will be received most gratefully. …….dee
Steeles, Burton, Garrod (Norfolk), Clarke, Tomblin (Rutland)
Bauer (London, France), Blades, Parker (Surrey)
Edwards, Coles, Smith, Nunley, Craddock, York, & Linnell (Northants) )
Ehmcke, Deimel, Appelkamp (Germany)
Watts (Somerset, Wiltshire) Selway, Churchill, & Chappell (Somerset)
Redwood (Devon, Essex) Button, Archer, Leach (Cambridgeshire)

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Re: Linking the Bauers
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 04 January 07 07:01 GMT (UK) »
Is there any naturalisation information for Joseph?  If so, it might document where he had lived when.

I have a very similar situation, although I have more circumstantial clues in my situation than you seem to have.  In my situation as well, the physical resemblances are remarkable and persuasive, so, combined with other clues, I am now satisfied of the relationship.  Eventually I hope to track it down in Germany.   I have met some of the people concerned, and I can only say that actually meeting them was 500% more convincing than the photos, which were persuasive in themselves.  If you were to meet some of them, you might see some mannerisms or quirks that look very familiar.
 
The name Bauer obviously did not originate in any of the countries named.  Perhaps Paris was just a stop along the way, as Belfast and London were. 
I see you have other Germans in your tree.  Have you ever joined the Anglo-German Family History Society?  Perhaps someone there could help you.  I joined it, and they seem to have links all over the place, not restricted to Germany per se.

I'm sorry I can't offer anything more specific.  I guess I would keep looking in any nook or cranny that comes up.  I have gone through passenger lists and found things that had nothing to do with the voyage in question which were critically important!

Perhaps there would be some newspaper articles somewhere.  These people seem to have had colourful careers.

And perhaps there is something at the National Archives in relation to the royal warrant.
ARMSTRONG - Castleton Scot; NB; Westminstr Twp
BARFIELD - Nailsea
BRAKE - Nailsea
BURIATTE
CANDY - M'sex, Deptford
CLIFFORD - Maidstone
DURE(E) - France, Devon, Canada
HALLS - Chigwell
KREIN, Peter/Adam - Germany
LEOPOLD - Hanover, London
LATTIMER, MAXWELL - Ldn lightermen
MEYER - Lauenstein
MURRAY - Scot borders
STEWART - Chelsea; Reach
SWANICK - Mayo & Roscommon; Ontario
WEST - Rochester & Maidstone
WILLIS - Wilts, Berks, Hants, London
WOODHOUSE - Bristol tobacconist, London
WW1 internees

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Re: Linking the Bauers
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 04 January 07 10:17 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Loo for your reply. I appreciate your suggestions. I have searched the National Archives website for any mention of the Bauers in regards to Naturalisation, the Royal Warrant and any thing else that might be there, with nothing at this stage. I shall keep looking. It took me 8 years to find Francois' arrival in Victoria and unravel the family story - so I don't give up easily.     :)   .....dee
Steeles, Burton, Garrod (Norfolk), Clarke, Tomblin (Rutland)
Bauer (London, France), Blades, Parker (Surrey)
Edwards, Coles, Smith, Nunley, Craddock, York, & Linnell (Northants) )
Ehmcke, Deimel, Appelkamp (Germany)
Watts (Somerset, Wiltshire) Selway, Churchill, & Chappell (Somerset)
Redwood (Devon, Essex) Button, Archer, Leach (Cambridgeshire)

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Re: Linking the Bauers
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 04 January 07 10:55 GMT (UK) »
There are many references to the name BAUER in The Times digital archive.

Quite a few of them are errors in the character recognition system used, but some of them may turn out to be useful.
Middx - VAUS, ROBERTS, EVERSFIELD, INMAN, STAR, HOLBECK, WYATT, BICKFORD, SMITH, REDWOOD
Hants - SMALL, HAMMERTON, GRIST, FRYER, TRODD, DAGWELL, PARKER, WOODFORD, CROUTEAR, BECK, BENDELL, KEEPING, HARDING, BULL
Kent - BAYLY, BORER, MITCHELL, PLANE, VERNON, FARRANCE, CHAPMAN, MEDHURST, LOMAX, WYATT, IDEN
Devon - TOPE, BICKFORD, FOSTER
YKS - QUIRK, McGUIRE, BENN
Nott/Derbs - SLACK
Herts - BARNES
L'pool- PLUMBE
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Re: Linking the Bauers
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 04 January 07 11:42 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the suggestion, bearkat. I just had a look at the website and I see that there is a free 7 day trial. Do you know if you can cancel before you have to pay?......dee
Steeles, Burton, Garrod (Norfolk), Clarke, Tomblin (Rutland)
Bauer (London, France), Blades, Parker (Surrey)
Edwards, Coles, Smith, Nunley, Craddock, York, & Linnell (Northants) )
Ehmcke, Deimel, Appelkamp (Germany)
Watts (Somerset, Wiltshire) Selway, Churchill, & Chappell (Somerset)
Redwood (Devon, Essex) Button, Archer, Leach (Cambridgeshire)

Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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« Reply #5 on: Thursday 04 January 07 11:47 GMT (UK) »
You can become an online member of Bedfordshire libraries for free

http://www.galaxy.bedfordshire.gov.uk/cgi-bin/vlib.sh

You will get a PIN and password and be able to search the online newspaper archive for The Times.
Middx - VAUS, ROBERTS, EVERSFIELD, INMAN, STAR, HOLBECK, WYATT, BICKFORD, SMITH, REDWOOD
Hants - SMALL, HAMMERTON, GRIST, FRYER, TRODD, DAGWELL, PARKER, WOODFORD, CROUTEAR, BECK, BENDELL, KEEPING, HARDING, BULL
Kent - BAYLY, BORER, MITCHELL, PLANE, VERNON, FARRANCE, CHAPMAN, MEDHURST, LOMAX, WYATT, IDEN
Devon - TOPE, BICKFORD, FOSTER
YKS - QUIRK, McGUIRE, BENN
Nott/Derbs - SLACK
Herts - BARNES
L'pool- PLUMBE
 All UK census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Linking the Bauers
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 04 January 07 11:53 GMT (UK) »
Many libraries, especially university libraries if you are not in the UK, have ongoing access to The Times online.  I didn't know there was a publicly accessible version at all;  this must be new!

Have you inquired at either Westminster Archives or London Metropolitan Archives as to whether there are any archives for Osborne Bauer & Cheeseman?  I have never heard of it, but, then, I know nothing about perfumers.  Worth a shot;  can be done by email.  It looks to me like Golden Sq is probably in Westminster?

Cooking is a very serious profession in France (as is perfume!).  I wonder if there is a record of apprenticeship for Joseph, or some such thing.



ARMSTRONG - Castleton Scot; NB; Westminstr Twp
BARFIELD - Nailsea
BRAKE - Nailsea
BURIATTE
CANDY - M'sex, Deptford
CLIFFORD - Maidstone
DURE(E) - France, Devon, Canada
HALLS - Chigwell
KREIN, Peter/Adam - Germany
LEOPOLD - Hanover, London
LATTIMER, MAXWELL - Ldn lightermen
MEYER - Lauenstein
MURRAY - Scot borders
STEWART - Chelsea; Reach
SWANICK - Mayo & Roscommon; Ontario
WEST - Rochester & Maidstone
WILLIS - Wilts, Berks, Hants, London
WOODHOUSE - Bristol tobacconist, London
WW1 internees

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Re: Linking the Bauers
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 04 January 07 11:57 GMT (UK) »
You can become an online member of Bedfordshire libraries for free

http://www.galaxy.bedfordshire.gov.uk/cgi-bin/vlib.sh

You will get a PIN and password and be able to search the online newspaper archive for The Times.

Are you sure that's still working, bearkat?  I would be delighted to hear that it was, but my membership went dead a while ago.
ARMSTRONG - Castleton Scot; NB; Westminstr Twp
BARFIELD - Nailsea
BRAKE - Nailsea
BURIATTE
CANDY - M'sex, Deptford
CLIFFORD - Maidstone
DURE(E) - France, Devon, Canada
HALLS - Chigwell
KREIN, Peter/Adam - Germany
LEOPOLD - Hanover, London
LATTIMER, MAXWELL - Ldn lightermen
MEYER - Lauenstein
MURRAY - Scot borders
STEWART - Chelsea; Reach
SWANICK - Mayo & Roscommon; Ontario
WEST - Rochester & Maidstone
WILLIS - Wilts, Berks, Hants, London
WOODHOUSE - Bristol tobacconist, London
WW1 internees

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Re: Linking the Bauers
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 04 January 07 12:07 GMT (UK) »
Can I join online from South Oz? Would be great if it works......dee
Steeles, Burton, Garrod (Norfolk), Clarke, Tomblin (Rutland)
Bauer (London, France), Blades, Parker (Surrey)
Edwards, Coles, Smith, Nunley, Craddock, York, & Linnell (Northants) )
Ehmcke, Deimel, Appelkamp (Germany)
Watts (Somerset, Wiltshire) Selway, Churchill, & Chappell (Somerset)
Redwood (Devon, Essex) Button, Archer, Leach (Cambridgeshire)

Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk