Francis GROOM 1806

[eric]

I.m stuck can anyone help me,, I have the above Francis Groom 1806 in Wellington, Shropshire, but can't find his parentage. It would appear that he had two wives Sussannah Timmis, his second wife appears to be Mary Ann Timmis.
Regards, Eric

[janan]

Hi Eric
Have you got him on the various censuses? Only in 51 he is with Maryann and has a 20 year old son William. William is not with him in 41 only a 14 year old Richard, Sarah presumably already dead? A 10 year old William is with a Richard Groom 65 and Catherine 55 and others in Wellington. Would you like details as it is very likely these are his parents. Also on later censuses Francis appears with wife Margaret so looks like he married 3 times.
Jan

[nanny jan]

Hi Eric,

There is an "extracted record" on www.familysearch.org  of the baptism of a Francis Gromm 4 April 1806 in Wellington, Shropshire with parents shown as Rd Gromm (Richard?) and Cath.

Could this be your man?

Nanny Jan

[eric]

Hi Janan and JAN,
Many thanks for your replies,they look most interesting,I would be very pleased  with your offers of more background info. The possability of three marriages makes it more complicated. My direct line from Francis is the son John Groom born 1850, was his mother Margaret or was it some one else?  John Groom 1850 Married Hannah Yapp 1845 on June 6th.1874
i look foreward to your replies, I' m finding it most complicated. Once more my very grateful thanks. Eric.

[janan]

Hi Eric
Here they are in 1851
Jan

Arleston
Francis Groom Head Mar 45 Woodman Salop Wellington
Mary Ann do Wife 38 Salop Ludlow
William do Son U 20 Woodman do do
Ann do Dau 5 do do
Francis do Son 3 do do
John do do 1 do do
Sarah Lomas Serv U 18 do do
HO107/1997/329 Pg19

[janan]

1841
New St Wellington
Francis Groom 35 Sawyer
Richard do 14 do
William Mcleary 24
Henry Dodd 14 Potters mate
All born in county except Henry
HO107/907/2/35 Pg14

New St Wellington
Richard Groom 60 Ti?? M
Catherine do 55
John do 25 Cabe Mak
Richard do 20 Chair M
William do 10
Isaac Parker 10
All born in county
HO107/907/235 Pg15

Jan

[eric]

Hi Janan,
You have solved one problem for me, I now believe I know who John Grooms mother is. I previousely believed it to be Margaret.
Very many thanks. Eric.

[eric]

Hi Janan,
On my first reply I did not notice the 1841 and 1851 Census, It would appear that Richard Groom and wife Catherine are the parents of Francis 1806. It does now mean more sence to me now. Many thanks. Eric.

[janan]

Hi Eric
You really need John's birth certficate to confirm his mother's  name then you could look for a marriage between her and Francis circa 1845? From 1861 Francis's wife is Margaret not Mary Ann but since she is roughly same age and still gives birthplace as Ludlow, I wonder if she is the same person.

Jan