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Re: Francis Groom 1806
« Reply #9 on: Monday 08 January 07 12:10 GMT (UK) »
Missed your second reply there :D
The baptism Nanny Jan found plus the presence of 10 year old William with Richard and Catherine does seem to indicate they are Francis's parents - the marriage cert between him and Mary Ann/Margaret would confirm father's name for you.
Happy hunting
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Margaret is a widow by 1881. Do you want the 1861/71 entries?
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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge

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Re: Francis Groom 1806
« Reply #10 on: Monday 08 January 07 16:20 GMT (UK) »
Hi JANAN,
Further entries would be a great help.
Many thanks. Eric

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Re: Francis Groom 1806
« Reply #11 on: Monday 08 January 07 17:26 GMT (UK) »
1861
Road, Private House, Wellington
Francis Groom Head Mar 55 Manager of timberyard and  ??? of 11 or 12 acres Wellington
Margeret Groom Wife 45 Ludlow
Annie do Dau 15 Scholar Wellington
Francis do Son 13 Pupil Teacher do
John do do 11 Scholar do
Maria do dau 9 do do
Jane do do 6 do do
George do Son 4 do
Margeret do dau 10 mo do
Harriet Jones Serv u 19 House servant do
RG9/1898/46 Pg8/9

Jan ;)
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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge

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Re: Francis Groom 1806
« Reply #12 on: Monday 08 January 07 17:31 GMT (UK) »
1871
Walker St Wellington
Francis Groom Head Mar 65 Foreman in timberyard Wellington
Margaret do Wife 56 Dressmaker Ludlow
Maria do Dau 19 do Arleston
Jane do do 16 do do
George do Son 14 scholar do
Margaret do Dau 10 do do
RG10/2806/78 Pg14/15

Jan ;)
ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM  www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge


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Re: Francis Groom 1806
« Reply #13 on: Monday 08 January 07 17:38 GMT (UK) »
Despite the 2 Margarets only gaining 10 years in 20  ;D ??? I'm pretty sure this must be them as Jane fits from 61/71.
Jan ;)

1891
72 New St Wellington
Arthur Bourne Head M 36 Carver and gilder Gloucs Cheltenham
Jane Bourne Wife 35 Wellington
Margaret Groom Mother in law Wid 64 Living on her own means Ludlow
Margaret do Sister in law S 20 Fancy goods assistant Wellington
Martha Swineston Serv S 17 General servant (domestic) Salop Bridgenorth
RG12/2131/25 Pg1




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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge

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Re: Francis Groom 1806
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 09 January 07 13:38 GMT (UK) »
Janan,
Many thanks, the Census reports are gratefully received, it is quite surprising what they turn up and the useful info it's possible to glean from them.
I'm still slightly puzzled, Francis Groom appears to have married three times, two of his wives appear to the Timmis sisters. How did he manage to get by the "Desceased sisters marriage Act" ? It was not allowed until 1907 to marry a desceased sister until the law was changed. Regards, Eric.

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Re: Francis Groom 1806
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 09 January 07 18:40 GMT (UK) »
Wellington 1821 Census New Street

Richard Groom 40 Basket Maker
Cate 39
Mary 18
William 17
Francis 15
Cate 10
Ann 8
John 6
Thomas 4
Richard 2
Female 3 days

Other Grooms on New Street
Ann 63 lodger

William 30 Basket Maker
Elizabeth 27

Maria 21 lodger
Wellington/Dawley areas - Attwood, Podmore, Wall
Sheffield - Oxspring
Machester - Clarkson
London - Whiffen/in
Leics. - Wass

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Re: Francis Groom 1806
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 09 January 07 18:47 GMT (UK) »
RICHARD GROOM 
CATHERINE PRINNOCK   
Marriage:  02 MAR 1802   Eyton Upon The Weald Moors, Shropshire, England
Batch No M037441 

I think this is probably the marriage of Richard and Catherine.

I have two marriages in my tree around this time that took place at Eyton when the couple were both from Wellington. It appears the vicar at Wellington refused to marry non-conformists in his church. Dawley was the same. The nearest options were Eyton for Wellington, and Little Wenlock for Dawley.
Wellington/Dawley areas - Attwood, Podmore, Wall
Sheffield - Oxspring
Machester - Clarkson
London - Whiffen/in
Leics. - Wass

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Re: Francis Groom 1806
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 09 January 07 20:43 GMT (UK) »
From IGI, baptisms with parents Richard & Catherine

WM GROOM
07 JUL 1805 Wellington, Shropshire
 
FRANCIS GROMM 
04 APR 1806 Wellington, Shropshire
 
RICHARD GROOM 
05 JUN 1808 Wellington
(Burial 21 May 1815 Aged 7 Wellington All Saints, per NBI)
 
CATHARINE GROOM 
09 SEP 1810 Wellington, Shropshire

ANN GROOM 
14 OCT 1812 Wellington, Shropshire

JOHN GROOM 
06 NOV 1814 Wellington, Shropshire

JANE GROOM 
06 JUN 1821 Wellington, Shropshire 

 ELIZABETH GROOM
11 MAY 1823 Wellington, Shropshire

I think this is the baptism of the second Richard, although no surname is recorded

RICHARD 
06 DEC 1818   Wellington, Shropshire, England
Father:  RICHARD   
Mother:  CAT. 

The 'female' in the 1821 Census must have been Jane. I can't find a baptism for Mary or Thomas Groom.

Wellington/Dawley areas - Attwood, Podmore, Wall
Sheffield - Oxspring
Machester - Clarkson
London - Whiffen/in
Leics. - Wass