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Les Saintes Maries-de-la-Mer
« on: Tuesday 09 January 07 02:24 GMT (UK) »


Years ago .... ( when I had the feeling my Coopers may be Romany ) .... My friend and I had this dream of going to Les Saintes Maries-de-la-Mer  meaning “the Saint Marys of the Sea ” ........ I thought it would be the coolest place to go ...... has anybody ever been ?  ???

This is renowned as the landing spot of Marie Madeleine after her voyage/flight from the Holy Land. It is understood that the reason for her departure was fear of persecution at the hands of the Romans, but to that the speculation may be added that it was also to protect the life of her unborn child. Given this lore, Saintes Maries has taken on special significance, becoming a focal point for the veneration of the Magdalene.

Festival of the “Gypsies”

Every May 24/25th about 15,000 people converge on this small seaside town to honor Saint Sara. She is small, standing less than five feet tall; but she is just the right size to fit in the corner of the arched and low-ceilinged crypt of the town’s basilica, a crypt situated on a former temple to Artemis (or possibly Isis, as these two goddesses were strongly identified with one another in Hellenistic times). Her statue is dark, as her name meaning, “The Black One” attests. During her festival, those who seek her healing and blessings come to touch her skirts, put scarves around her neck, offer flowers, light candles, and give thanks for miracles and prayers answered in the preceding years. She is paid homage to in the Gypsy Prayer, a copy of which sits framed to the right of her feet. Through her, the Magdalene, a pagan goddess, and Black Madonna are tied together. Even the crown that sits upon her head holds a symbolic key to revealing the union within her of pre-patriarchal tradition and contemporary Mariology. In it rests thirteen pearls, the number itself recalling the lunar round, and the pearl both Aphrodite’s and Mary’s sacred gem.

Further, Sara’s veneration by the Roma (who have origins in India), and indeed the very name they call her, Sara-la-Kali, make the connection to the Eastern goddess Kali much more explicit. Even her ritual bathing in the ocean at the culmination of festivities make her worship akin to that of the goddesses of the Hindu East who are taken to be immersed in the Ganges River (or other waters in proximity to the temple) after puja (worship) rites are performed during the major holy days.

This is the time when the Queen of the Gypsies is elected.

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Re: Les Saintes Maries-de-la-Mer
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 09 January 07 08:00 GMT (UK) »
I've been Annie!

A beautiful place, in my memory the castle there is white and the sky blue, the sun bright and the anchovies fresh!

The nearby salt pans are impressive, as is the scenery of the Camargue with horsemen, flamingoes, black bulls -  and thatched cottages not unlike Gloucestershire.

I am afraid that the religious significance almost entirely passed me by (I was younger then) and I was only travelling in the tourist sense, so probably not the answer you are seeking.  I imagine it is very busy during the festivities.

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Re: Les Saintes Maries-de-la-Mer
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 09 January 07 14:12 GMT (UK) »

Just as an interesting aside ..... the Gypsies have ALWAYS known about Sara !! Dan Brown did not disclose anything new !!  ::) ::)

I've never met anybody who's been ..... so for you to have seen the town is a something else !!!  :)

Can you imagine a town filled with vardoes and tents and trucks and everything ?? must be fascinating .... I'd love to just stand and watch the elaborate gypsy festival and pilgrimage which is held about the 3rd weekend in May!!

Gypsy families from around the world make their way to Stes  Maries-de-la-Mer for Baptisms family reunions and other events -  everywhere there are the bejeweled women in long colorful skirts full white blouses and kerchiefs apparently ......... and the gold leaf statues of Sara and the Maries are carried again to the sea for prayers and veneration.

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Re: Les Saintes Maries-de-la-Mer
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 09 January 07 15:17 GMT (UK) »
Well, I haven't been, Annie, and I certainly knew nothing about this festival - so it's interesting reading.....

It's also interesting considering my mother's middle names are 'Mary Magdalen'.....  She had a Romany grandmother, so I suppose it figures  :)

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Re: Les Saintes Maries-de-la-Mer
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 09 January 07 15:32 GMT (UK) »


Hi Clara !

How are you after the holiday ??  ??? ???

I'm so jealous of you having Romany roots ! ....... I was soooo sure I did too ..... gave my sister apoplexy when I told her what I thought .... but I was thrilled at the prospect !!  :D :D :D :D

Fascinating reading all about the migrations ............ Liverpool University has an extensive Gypsy collection ..... I remember when we were kids the Gypsies used to come every year to camp just down the road from us ...... my Dad used to send my sister and I to collect the horse manure after they left ..... for his roses ......  :D
She hated it .... having to wheel the old cart !!  :) :) :) ...... silly the memories that come to mind huh ??

Were you able to carry on the tradition of your Mum's names ??

Annie  :)
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Re: Les Saintes Maries-de-la-Mer
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 09 January 07 15:35 GMT (UK) »
Hi Annie,

I have been as well but outside of the festival. Very much like Sue explained but the Camargue is not my favourite area.

When some of the travellers are en route they often stop off at one site in Perpignan near where I live. It is especially organised for them.
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« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 09 January 07 15:50 GMT (UK) »


So do you have good roses too then Geoff ??  ??? ??? ::)

I don't know too much about that area at all .... except for the horses ! ........ does it get crazy there when they all descend ?? .... they say the town swells - as 15-20,000 come for the celebrations ........ I imagine it gets pretty full everywhere and the traffic must be awful !

Annie  :)
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« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 09 January 07 19:11 GMT (UK) »
Hi Annie, Yes we have some good roses but only to the heat hits us. Not sure if this photo will give a good idea.

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Re: Les Saintes Maries-de-la-Mer
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 09 January 07 21:41 GMT (UK) »
Not quite sure how to respond, Annie and Geoff!

Annie - I have def Romany roots.  My g-g-grandmother, Jane Pannell, wanted to distance herself from her family, late 19th century travellers in Surrey/Sussex.  She met up with Bartholomew Crone, seaman, and his family (Irish RC coastguards) near where she was in service in Brighton.

Sounds like she wanted to keep her Romany background secret....

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