look up in Fasti Ecclesiae for Greenock

[tidybooks]

Thanks Falkyrn,

I went PDF route, much slower but easier to get presbytery.

I did a search for children of George Moscrip and Janet Wilson on LDS and SP, on LDS 3 returned Andrew b 15 Jul 1808, John Wilson b 16 Sep 1811 John Wilson c 30 Sep 1811. On SP, similar etc Andrew same date but John Wilson given 30 Sep 1811 & 1812. No sign of others.

Tom

[tidybooks]

here is what I have got on Moscrips, they are in Scottish Borders at the moment -
James Moscrip m Betty Purvis

Children all christened at Yetholm, Roxburghshire
Andrew Moscrip c 22 Nov 1767
Elspeth Moscrip c 20 Aug 1769 (child death?)
Helen Moscrip c 15 Nov 1772
Elspeth Moscrip c 19 Feb 1775
George Moscrip c 23 Mar 1777
Betty Moscrip c 16 May 1779
Peggy Moscrip c 07 Jul 1782

All birthe from Oxnam, Roxburghshire unless stated,
Andrew Moscrip was father of
Clement Moscrip c 02 Mar 1721
? Moscrip c 07 Apr 1723

Clement Moscrip m Janet Turnbull on 5th Dec 1723 at Oxnam, Roxburghshire
children–
? Moscrip c 21 Dec 1726
Elizabeth Moscrip c 02 May 1731
Janet Moscrip c 12 Nov 1732

John Moscrip m Isobel Hall

Children were
Andrew Moscrip c 10 Nov 1707


William Moscrip was parent of
Margaret Moscrip c 04 Jun 1710
Agnes Moscrip c 27 Jan 1712     2 diff families???
Margaret Moscrip c 09 Jul 1732
George Moscrip c 27 Mar 1735


Robert Moscrip was parent of
Isobel Moscrip c 24 Sep 1714
Robert Moscrip c 02 Oct 1719
William Moscrip c 26 Jul 1730
Mary Moscrip c 06 Jul 1735

Andrew Moscrip (o) m Jean Scott
Children were
John Moscrip c 16 Jul 1783
Thomas Moscrip c 01 Feb 1787
Robert Moscrip c 12 Dec 1790
Nancy Moscrip c 26 May 1793

James Moscrip was parent of
Robert Moscrip c 21 Mar 1753

Print out and havve a lookat , maybe make some sense of it, if you can, I came across moscrop, Moscrope etc but counted all as Moscrip, makes it a wee bit easier.

Tom

[fiona g]

Thanks Tom,and yes some are related I think to Rev George as I got confirmation from NAS few years ago that George was born in the Borders and sat his Divinity there(something to do with studying for the church).Maybe i should give up on this family but I have been saying that for years Fiona

[A R Hill]

Fiona,

I gather from your posting on his son that you have seen the MI - but it may be worth adding that the editors of the Mitchells' MI book have added that readers should refer to Small's "History of the United Presbyterian Church" at volume ii, page 171 - also G Williamson's "Old Greenock" 2nd series at p. 133. They add also that he was ordained 24.11.1802.

Hope this helps

Alistair

[fiona g]

Hi Alistair

Thanks for your help.Yes I have a photo of Rev George Moscrip headstone buried Greenock,its very impressive and he seemed like a nice man according to the inscription,did not mention his wife and family though(i thought that unusal).I have not seen Clements headstone but if I could find out the inscription i would maybe find his wifes name.Could you suggest where I may find this "Smalls History" Mitchell Library or Nas Edinburgh,both have been very helpful in the past with emails.Curious how you know what you know you seen very knowlegible.   Fiona

[runner]

Hi

The name Moscrip is so unusual that when I came across it the other day when looking for my wife's family I had to take a quick note.
It was a the birth of Jane Henderson Pye in 1861 to father David Pye and mother Clement Moscrip Gardner in Edinburgh.   (IGI C116851)
Given the name of the mother there must be some link to your line.

The Pye family is a side branch from my wife's.

Russell

[fiona g]

Hi Russell

Could be some distant link.The Moscrips I am tracing started at Jedburgh one I discovered studied at Edinburgh University(not to far from Jedburgh)then they travelled to Greenock and some over to Pennsylyannia,America.
I am sure I have seen the name Clement Moscrip Gardner over the years of tracing this family,cannot remember where.I have check my previous searches on SP to no avail.If I come across anything in my very unorganised paper work I will get back to you.   Fiona

[A R Hill]

Hi Fiona,

sorry I've been slow following up on this. To cut a long story short, work intervened.

I've got a combination of local knowledge (grew up near Eaglesham, interest in Pollokshaws, trained in Greenock) and a reasonable library.

Though I was caught out (I now know) by Small's UP book. It's available for download, if you have broadband, at [ http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=subject:%22United%20Presbyterian%20Church%22 ] (make sure you get it all in the window).

The page references I gave you were pretty well duff though. Turns out what you need is volume 1 page 600, and volume 2 pages 171 and 274 (at least - that's what jumps up on a text search).

However, it seems incomplete and I wonder if technically its the Free church one you need for Clement. Small tries quite hard to play him down as a radical that tried hard, got sick and moved on in the direction of Pollokshaws where he quietly faded out.

But then, Andrew McCallum's history of Pollokshaws (Pollokshaws : Village & Burgh : 1600-1912) at pages 84-85 reveals a lot more more, including that Clement's selection as minister at Pollokshaws was strongly opposed (though obviously he won) and that this helped split the church again. No genealogical data in it, but it must be good to have such interesting ancestors and this must be worth another, more insistent, trip to the Mitchell...

[J.J.]

You likely have this, but just in case...misspelled as Clement "Moscript":
Birth February 13 1804 / Christening February 13 1804
(submission...LDS IGI) ...sorry, I had thought it was an extracted file with the exact dates, but then I went back and looked again...
J.J.