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WYNHALL and TOMS...ring any bells mid 1800s
« on: Saturday 03 February 07 18:20 GMT (UK) »
Mary and Charles - Great great grandparents of mine.......from the Looe area?

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Re: WYNHALL and TOMS...ring any bells mid 1800s
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 03 February 07 18:47 GMT (UK) »
What do you want to know Phil? A bit more detail might help.Do you have ages
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Re: WYNHALL and TOMS...ring any bells mid 1800s
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 03 February 07 22:44 GMT (UK) »
Have you looked for them at:

freebmd.rootsweb.com
freecen.rootsweb.com
?

Looe parish records are NOT on the IGI.

Here's the 1891 census:
Castle Street:
Mary Wynhall, 43, (widowed) living on own means, b. West Looe (this age is probably incorrect, looking at earlier census records)
Robert, 27, son (widowed), Fisherman b. East Looe
John, 25, son (single), Fisherman b. dit
Laura Toms, 8, granddaughter, b. East Looe.

next door
Charles Toms, 28, Fisherman & RN, East Looe
Mary M, wife, 28, b. West Looe
Edith, dau, 6, b. East Looe
Harry M, son, 4, b. dit
Mary, dau, 2, b. dit
Stanley, son, 1M, b. dit

The 1881 census, on www.familysearch.org, shows Mary Wynhall (Sr), with her husband Robert (fisherman & RNR), and sons John and Robert.  Can't spot Mary wife of Charles, but Charles Toms is in East Looe, probably the one living with James and Susannah Toms.  There is another Charles Toms a couple of years younger, parents Richard and Elizabeth, though.

... strangely enough, I think the wife of this Charles Toms might be not Mary Wynhall but Mary Phillipa Marshall.  She's shown on freeBMD as a possible match to the Charles Toms married in 1883; maybe Mary Wynhall was the mother of Laura only (Laura was born before the 1883 marriage, you will see this from freeBMD), and Harry M is Harry Marshall Toms.

Also strangely enough, there does not seem to be any Mary born to Robert and Mary Wynhall.  However, in 1861 it seems that Mary Wynhall wife of Robert was previously married, as there are three Henden(?) children in the household.

Have you got some more info so we can sort this lot out?
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Re: WYNHALL and TOMS...ring any bells mid 1800s
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 19 February 22 11:57 GMT (UK) »
I've only just found this site.   
I may be able to help, not on the Wynhall side, but by ruling out one of the Charles Toms referred to in the post above.  Charles Toms (born 1862, died 1939) was married to Mary Phillipa (nee Marshall).  They had 6 children of which Edith was the oldest and my father, Austin, the youngest)

This Charles was the son of James Robert and Susannah (nee Pengelly).

Up until the mid 1900's Toms was a very common name in Looe, the other two were Pengelly and Soady.

I recall a Wynhall who was a fisherman in the 1940's and 50's. but I can find no connection between
any Wynhall and MY Toms family.

i hope this is some help - even for just elimination purposes.



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Re: WYNHALL and TOMS...ring any bells mid 1800s
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 19 February 22 12:19 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for this.

I am currently awaiting a software update so that I can view my tree on a MAC. Will bear this in mind.

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Re: WYNHALL and TOMS...ring any bells mid 1800s
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 19 February 22 14:41 GMT (UK) »
1911 Tower Hill East Looe, all born East Looe
Charles Toms 49 Pilot 1862
Mary Phillipa 1862
May Madeline 1889
Henry Marshall 1887   
Stanley 1891
Hedley 1895
Austin Charles 1904.