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Offline lostnconfused

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What does this say/mean?
« on: Monday 05 February 07 12:04 GMT (UK) »
After many months of hard graft we think we have found my GM's birth, the mystery seems to be that she has no father on her B/Cert as that is blank!

What does this say and what does it mean?

It was entered into Mothers Name/Maiden name of the B/Cert

Help!
Morris - Lydbrook and Manchester
Kell - North East
Davis - Manchester
Fleming - North East and Scotland
Beech - North East England
Burrell - North East and new south wales Australia
Bevan - North East England and Wales
Barnes -North West England
Monaghan-north east England and Ireland
Waugh-North East England
Hayes-Manchester
Garvey-Manchester
Lythgoe-Manchester
Need help in finding a Annie Barnes don't know her exact date of birth as it is incorrect on death cert. NEED HELP PLEASE!!!!!!!

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Re: What does this say/mean?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 05 February 07 12:09 GMT (UK) »
Hi lostnconfused,

I read it as

Ellen Barnes
Collar Ring Piecer
of Fields Fold Chadderton

 "My dear, I think the English pronounce it 'appiness"  

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Re: What does this say/mean?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 05 February 07 12:11 GMT (UK) »

Why would they mention anything to do with occupation?

I assume that is because of a lack of father?

Andy
Morris - Lydbrook and Manchester
Kell - North East
Davis - Manchester
Fleming - North East and Scotland
Beech - North East England
Burrell - North East and new south wales Australia
Bevan - North East England and Wales
Barnes -North West England
Monaghan-north east England and Ireland
Waugh-North East England
Hayes-Manchester
Garvey-Manchester
Lythgoe-Manchester
Need help in finding a Annie Barnes don't know her exact date of birth as it is incorrect on death cert. NEED HELP PLEASE!!!!!!!

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Re: What does this say/mean?
« Reply #3 on: Monday 05 February 07 12:13 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

Please see description below from index of old occupations:

Piecer / Piecener  Employed to piece together broken threads in weaving. Often children.

hope this helps, too.
Allen-Notts & Derbys
Moore- Notts & Derbys
Holmes- Notts
Harris- Notts


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Re: What does this say/mean?
« Reply #4 on: Monday 05 February 07 12:14 GMT (UK) »
Well done, Tati, beat me to it.

The one bit I wasn't sure of was Collar; I was confused by the plus sign in front of it (and the fact that the father apparently wasn't listed) and was thinking it might be the father's name, Colin (or something like that) Ring. But I guess collar ring piecer would be the sort of job some poor soul might have in the cotton industry around Manchester.

I agree on the address.

  Gareth
Scott, Dowdeswell (Merthyr Tydfil), Jones (Loughor and Merthyr Vale), Roberts (Nelson), Prichard (Collenna and Cefn Fforest); Evan Roberts (Corwen and Amlwch); Scott (Pentre); Scott (Ancrum); Thomas (Pantywaun and Bedlinog); Morgan Jones (Ystradfellte); Bowen (Loughor); Jenkins (Bridgend); Thomas Dowdeswell (b. Gloucester, 1829).

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Re: What does this say/mean?
« Reply #5 on: Monday 05 February 07 12:16 GMT (UK) »
The address is more precisely recorded:

Piecer of 6
Fields Fold
Chadderton


The squiggle after Chadderton is unclear to me, but might be something like "USD" for Urban Sanitary District.

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Re: What does this say/mean?
« Reply #6 on: Monday 05 February 07 12:19 GMT (UK) »

Why would they mention anything to do with occupation?

I assume that is because of a lack of father?

Andy

Hi Andy
The only birth certificate I have for an illegitimate birth also gives mother's occupation so I guess that must be it
Jan ;)
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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge

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Re: What does this say/mean?
« Reply #7 on: Monday 05 February 07 12:21 GMT (UK) »
"Married women never apparently had an occupation! Being a wife and mother was all the occupation they were allowed. This was not altered until the late 1980's after a threatened legal action, when women were finally allowed to have an occupation shown against their name and only in the last few years has there been a dedicated space for a mother's occupation. However, mothers of illegitimate children had an occupation shown - one of the few compensations for finding illegitimacy."

from this excellenet site

http://www.dixons.clara.co.uk/Certificates/indexbd.htm

Cheers Jan
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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge

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Re: What does this say/mean?
« Reply #8 on: Monday 05 February 07 12:39 GMT (UK) »
She may have worked in a shirt factory. The old collarless shirts were known as ring collars.  she may have put together the collar rings (to which a separate stiff collar was sometimes attached with studs).