1851 census, Finsbury, London.COMPLETED, Thankyou.

[Eilleen]

I have tried different boards on this site, but I am still looking for the following .
Daniel Mack and his wife Sarah Absalom had a son Horace Mack, the IGI individual record has his birth May 1850,  and christening 1 mth later at Saint Thomas Charterhouse, Finsbury, London,  my question, can anyone find them on either the 1851 or 1861 census.    fingers and toe's crossed ,  from Eilleen.

[Pels.]

Hi Eilleen,

Not quite what you asked for I'm afraid but it might help us locate Horace in earlier years:

1871 census:
RG10/404, folio 60, page 27

London, Finsbury, St. Luke

1, Porters Place

Sarah Mack, head, widow, 43, Charwoman, b. Middlesex, St. Luke
Horace, son, unm. 20, Cork Grinder
Daniel, son, 14, Paper Roller
Mary Ann, dau. 10, Scholar
Malley, son, 6
Sarah, dau. 6
Amy, dau. 2

All born Middlesex, St. Lukes.

Kind regards,

Pels

[Barbara F]

Hello again Eilleen
I have had a thorough search of the 1851 and 1861 indexes but I am not finding anything useful.
So, perhaps we need to tackle this differently!

These are the possible birth registrations for the Sarah and  her twin as shown in the 1871 census

Mar 1865   
McNamara  Matthew     St Luke  1b 733   
McNamara  Sarah     St Luke  1b 733

This is possible Amy

Births Jun 1869 
 
McNamara  Melinda     St. Luke  1b 667

I have not found a death for a Daniel.

Did the name Daniel McNamara come from his daughter's marriage certificate?  Also, how is the 1871 census entry linked with the Sarah Mcnamara who married Frank Martin  ie are you sure that this is the right Sarah?

I realise you are helping someone else with this so may not have the answer immediately.

Perhaps it is worth posting all the details from the marriage certificate of Sarah McNamara  to Frank Martin so we can see if there is any other line we could follow?

For anyone else who is searching please see also
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,212172.0.html


Barbara

[Eilleen]

Barbara , thankyou for your help, I like you  have tried all sort's, The gentleman will be in my charity shop first thing Tue morning, he come's in with a big smile full of hope,I've got to the point were I feel I am ruining his day by not having any imformation for him, he blurts out all this imformation that means nothing to me, and I try to scribble it all down. On Tues I will get him under control and ask him to bring a copy of the marriage certifcate of Sarah Mcnamara  1883 ( his grandma  ? ) I know she lived at 14,Great College street, Westminster and her husband to be live at Retcliffe road, St Luke. my relitives seem to be on hold, what is this obsession???    thankyou again,  from Eilleen.

[Barbara F]

Good luck on Tuesday Eilleen.
I think with the possible surname change/confusion it is best to go back to the evidence.  It will be interesting to see who the witnesses are.
I will wait for the next instalment 
Barbara

[Eilleen]

Barbara,  cert say's  St John the Evangelist, Smith square, Westmister, date 1883,  Frank Martin aged 20, married Sarah Mcnamara aged 20, father Daniel Mcnamara, dead.  witness's seem to be A Symes and Annie Dawson.
 this Sarah's birth cert say's Sarah Mcnamara born 1865 St Lukes. father Daniel Mcnamara. mother formally Sarah Absalom.    I thing my little old gentleman is chasing two different family's and getting them and me in a muddle.   Eilleen.

[Barbara F]

Hello Eilleen
Not much progress I'm afraid.
In 1891 I noticed that Frank and Sarah are living just a few doors away from Daniel Mack and family.  This could be coincidence of course but I have found that families often lived near each other after marriage.
I wonder whather it would be worth your gentleman getting the marriage certificate of this Daniel Mack to find out his father's name?  At least then we would know who was the father of the Mack children.
I was not sure from your post whether your gentleman has a birth certificate for Sarah or just the marriage.

Barbara

[Eilleen]

hello again Barbara,  the second part of my previous note was taken from Sarah's birth cert , which he did send for,  also he has the marriage cert of Daniel Mack born 1857 st Lukes , the marrige cert say's - Daniel Mack aged 20yrs married Sarah Ann Smith aged 17yrs, date 5th July 1875, at St Thomas church, Bethnal Green. Father Daniel Mack ( printer ) The groom lived at 5, Columbia Road. wittness's Joseph Church and Ann Brian.   I do not know why he is so sure that Sarah MCNAMARA and Daniel Mack are sibling's , he think's it could be something like their mother married at least twice, one to MCNAMARA the other to a MACK.   Please tell me to go and get a life,    from Eilleen.

[Barbara F]

Eilleen

I am totally stumped 

I can't find any of the 1871 family in 1881 except for the Daniel who married Sarah Smith.  I can't find any of the family prior to 1871 on the censuses.

I can't find anything that ties in with a Daniel Mack or Mc/Mac anything who would have died in the late 1860s presumably in St Luke/Holborn.

I am beginning to wonder whether Sarah (the mother in 1871) made him up!  But that would be odd as the younger Daniel would surely have known him.

I am really not sure where to go next with this.

Barbara