William Jenkins - c1823 Llandeilo-fach (maybe!)

[Necromancer]

I'm so far failing to help a Welsh friend (he has no Internet access) !

Can ayone advise if any relevant PRs are transcribed (IGI no help here it would seem) - I'm just not familiar with the area and names !?

William Jenkins. Born approx 1823 in Llandeilo-fach or is it as per 1871 Llandilonach ? (or Pontardulais-1881 or Morriston-1861) in Glamorgan - depending on the census year !

Married Mary and had at least 5 children - was a Silver Smelter in 1871 & a Fisherman in 1881 !!

Eldest child would seem to be Ellen b1852, Llanrhidian .... according to 1861 census, when they were still in Llanrhidian

We already have details of the 1861 -> census records but no details prior to that.

would love to find out William's parents and where they were from.

Also what was Mary's maiden name. Mary was born approx 1821-23, Llanrhidian according to census records.   


Many thanks in anticipation, Kind Regards, N

[cardiff]

HI
Suggest you request 1851 census for william give full info of 1861 census so it makes it easier to find the family.
 can see a william Jenkins in 1841 age 20  Ag labourer in Llandilo Fawr carmarthenshire.
I don't have access to 1851 .
cheers cardiff

[osprey]

I'm not having much luck with the 1851 for William - loads of William Jenkins around and he's not consistent with his age.Llandeilo Talybont is the parish that covered Pontardulais, batch no C056771. There's a possible baptism for William 17/7/1825 son of William and Margaret, but that's just guesswork.
The family is enumerated in Llanrhidian Higher, not in Llanrhidian itself but in Penclawdd. Both Llanrhidian and Llanrhidian higher are covered by the IGI for this period - batch nos C073261 and C090731 respectively. Possible for Margaret but with parents William and Margaret - but they're all comon names so it could be someone else. Looks like they were non-conformist and there were many chapels in the area - check Genuki page for chapels database.
Probably your best way would be to go for certificates. The Gower registration district came into being in 1858, so I'd go for births after that. Best bet looks to be Jane
Jane Jenkins march qtr 1868 Gower vol 11a pg 597
There's a couple of possible Davids and Sarahs, whereas that's the only Jane for a few years. The marriage would be registered Swansea and there are far too many William Jenkins marrying Marys to even hazard a guess, but maiden name from marriage cert might help.

[Necromancer]

Many thanks both !

Cardiff - is that 1841census finding within striking distance of the Glamorganshire places involved ?

Osprey - Yes, I'm sorry, I was aware of Lllanrhidian and Llanrhidian Higher, forgot to differentiate in the request.

Pity the IGI doesnt have Marriage Registers ..

Llanrhidian
 C073261   1813-1875     
   
Llanrhidian Higher
 C090731   1841-1875   

Interesting point you make about Non Conformist Chapels.

Birth Cert is certainly the way to go for the maiden name (friend is notoriously frugal with spending tho ... !}

Many thanks for clarifying the Pontardulais Parish coverage in the IGI.

Are you aware if Morriston fits into an area neatly with the other 2 places mentioned ?

Most grateful.

Newfy ...

[osprey]

Travelling east from Penclawdd, you'd go through Loughor parish which was to the south and west of Llandeilo Talybont and bordering on it. Then the next parish eastwards would have been Llangyfelach which covered Morriston. There are maps on Genuki which my browser won't let me see, so I don't know how good they are. Or if you have a look at Multimap, put in postcode SA4 and you can see the -clawdd of Penclawdd and the Morri- of Morriston at the edges.

There is a vaguely possible William in 1851 in Morriston, a copperman in White Rock (copper works) with mother Margaret, pob possibly Llanrhidian. But I can't find him now! 

Think you'll have to persuade your friend to get a certificate or two - researching common names in Wales is hard enough, without certs you'd be guessing. There were so many chapels in the area, you'd search for ages even if you could find all the records.   

modified - can't tell east from west - oops!

[Necromancer]

Thats brilliant, many many thanks !

I've already emailed him along those lines Osprey, your last comment is spot on !

[Cas (stallc)]

If you go to 'Glamorgan Resources' above and scroll to the bottom there is a Tallis map of Glamorgan that will help in relation to all the place names mentioned, which will give more area understanding.

Also if you type 'Glamorgan look up exchange' into Google there are PR look up available for Talybont and also other areas of Glam.  Will not let me post link.

Cas

[Necromancer]

Thanks Cas - will follow up.

Much appreciated !

[osprey]

I've found the vaguely possible William - had misremembered details
White Rock, Llansamlet H0107/2464 folio 622 pg 19
Jane Jenkins head widow 57
William son 24 copperman
John son 21 copperman
all born Llanridan (sic)

in 1841 the family were enumerated at H0107/1424/14 folio 31 pg 20 address Penygraig - the Graig being the hill at the south of Penclawdd (think I've got the direction right this time  )