1841census lookup request: King

[Jono]

Hi

Could someone help me find the King family from Risca in the 41 census.

I am looking for Eleanor King age c 20 & her family. In the 61 she gives her birthplace as Risca.

Possibly she is from Basseleg (nr Newport).

Many thanks

Jono

[osprey]

no luck with Eleanor, but there is a King family in Rogerstone, Bassaleg
H0107/750/3 folio 22 pg 17
Charles King 40 labourer
Betsey 35
Margaret 19
Charles 15
Caroline 9
Maria 6
Samuel 4
all born in county

also  Thomas King age 14 and William King age 20 both ag labs in Risca.

Do you have her marriage certificate giving father's name and occupation? Any other info or clues?

[Jono]

Where were the other children born? Eleanor is likely to have been born in the same place as Margaret.

What address do you have for the family?

I tried to order the marriage cert from the GRO. Free BMD shows the following for Sept 1849

Surname  First name(s)    District  Vol  Page 

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Marriages Sep 1849   (>99%)
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Godwin  Edward    Dursley  11 383   
King  Eleanor     Dursley  11 383   
Malpass  Sarah     Dursley  11 383   
Marston  Charles Henry     Dursley  11 383   
Neale  James     Dursley  11 383   
Purnell  John Gizzard     Glo'ster  11 383   
Saunders  Jane     Dursley  11 383   
Tennant  Richard     Dursley  11 383   


John Purnell is my ancestor and the 61 census states that his wife is Eleanor but when i ordered the cert the GRo stated that the 2 of them were not married. There is something wrong as John is in Gloucester and Eleanor is married in Dursley! I am thinking I may have to go to the local office and have a look at the register.

Eleanor may be in Gloucester by 1841 so a search on the Glos census may help but I really need the link to her father.


Thanks

Jono

[osprey]

The problem with the 1841 census is that it doesn't give place of birth just born in county or not and it doesn't give relationships. As on many census entries, no address given apart from hamlet or village of Rogerstone.

Do you have John on the 1851 census? I've had a look, but no luck so far. Do you have their son's birth certificate? I was wondering whether Eleanor had been married before - maiden and any previous surnames should be on the birth cert.

Certainly, the only entry for a marriage for a John Purnell in Gloucester between 1840 and 1865 on FreeBmd is the one from sept qtr 1849, but if you put in the ref no. and Gloucester, he is the only entry. So, there looks to be something amiss there. I've had a similar problem in 1859, strangely also in Gloucester where the 2 halves of the couple were on different pages. I ordered the cert anyway and it was correct. Perhaps the writing in the Gloucester office was less than clear. Trying the Gloucester office looks to be the way to go.

I'll see if I can find any more info in Monmouthshire.

[osprey]

Not having any luck finding anything to tie up this family. The online baptisms for Risca only go as far as 1812 and no Kings. The ones for Bassaleg were more productive

Charles King bp 14/8/1825 son of Charles (labourer) and Elizabeth
Mary King bp 14/8/1825 daughter of Charles & Elizabeth
Thomas King bp 14/8/1825 son of Charles & Elizabeth
Hester King bp 16/12/1827 daughter of Charles & Hester (suspect this is an error as there is an Elizabeth King b. 1827 in Bassaleg on the census)
Caroline King bp 16/10/1831 d/o Charles & Elizabeth
Maria King bp 1/6/1834 d/o of Charles & Elizabeth
Samuel King bp 8/5/1836 s/o of Charles & Elizabeth
Charles is given as labourer throughout. The first 3 baptisms on the same day might show that the family has recently arrived in the parish. Can't see any baptisms earlier, so no Margaret or Eleanor.
Also this marriage
Charles King of Bassaleg m. Elizabeth Shiles of Bassaleg 4/5/1818 so plenty of time for older children.

1851 census not particularly helpful. Charles senior has died - 2 possible registrations in Newport, Mon. I can see Maria and Thomas working as servants and Caroline has married june qtr 1850 Newport Mon vol 26 pg 139 Caroline King and Thomas Davies on the same page
Cefn, Rogerstone H0107/2453 folio 93 pg 30
Thomas Davies head mar 22 ag lab b. St Woollos
Caroline wife 20 b. Rogerstone
Elizabeth King mother in law widow 50(?) b. Devonshire, Cullompton
not sure about the age as there is an enumerator's mark over it. She's been transcribed as Ring and aged 40. Goes to show that born in county on the 1841 isn't to be relied on.
Looks like finding the marriage cert is your best bet.

[Jono]

I have ordered the birth cert of the son of Eleanor and John. Once I have that we might be able to move on.

In the 51 John is in Chepstow, Horse lane as  a lodger but not with Eleanor. I suspect he was working there for a temporary period. No sign of Eleanor in the Monmouth or Gloucester census

thanks for all your help folks

[borneo]

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E-mail: gloucester.ro@gloucestershire.gov.uk

Brian

[Jono]

Looking for Eleanor Roberts b Risca 1821

Married John Purnell 1849 so she will not be under the Roberts name in 51 but she may be there in the 41

For all of you who were looking for Eleanor King sorry to say but the surname was wrong but now verified (I have sons birth cert)

Thanks

Jono

[suffolk*sue]

There is this one in 1841

HO 107/747/12  -  LLanishen
Folio 5, Page 3
Telloyd

ROBERTS
John - 70 carpenter
Ann - 65
Eleanor - 20
Joseph - 30
Eliza PAGE - 10
Thomas JAMES - 20
Lewis MORGAN - 10 - male servant