Home Children to Canada on the Sarmation

[KarenM]

Marriage Registration for:

Irene Alicia Waite
Age:  21
Spinster
Residence when married:  Township of Oakley
Birthplace:  Township of Oakley
Anglican
Father:  John Waite
Mother:  Alice Gay

William Gordon Robinson
Age:  27
Residence when married:  McLean Township
Place of Birth:  McLean Township
Bachelor
Occupation:  Farmer
Father:  Samuel Robinson
Mother:  Sarah Ann Preston

Witnessess:  Wilfred Waite, Frasurburg, Ontario and Mrs. W.R. Newton, Baysville, Ontario

Intended Place of Marriage:  Township of McLean, County of Victoria
Date of Marriage:  October 16, 1916
Reg. No. 021613

Karen

[J.J.]

Hi, Connie...always asking for more information, I know, but it all helps...
Do you have middle names for the two , as Charlotte and Robert did, and since Charlotte Alice used hers interchangeably, perhaps Elizabeth and Kate did also...

[MJP]

Hi Connie,

Did you know that you can view the original ships passenger lists online?

You have the arrival dates and name of the ship from the Home Children database, so use that info to find the relevant ship here

http://www.collectionscanada.ca/archivianet/passenger/001045-130-e.html

(Click on Search on the left-hand menu bar)

I think the double-entry for Charlotte is the same person - her age is a bit smudged on the original image.  Although I don't know what the reference to "General Correspondance" means - there is no further information on the passenger list itself. 

MJP

[Con]

Hello again, folks.  Sorry I was away so long - I have a seriously ill person to care for so have little control over my free time - and now I only have just over an hour so will quickly get going.  Thank you for all that information, I am overwhelmed, both by your kindness but also literally overwhelmed by the  quantity of news  that is arriving.  To your queries...........

JJ, yes, the family are in London, UK, on every census except for the 1891, for which I have only found little Maud in a Nazareth House Childrens home in London.  I have those records.  Widow Chrlotte is 'missing' probably because she gave birth to a son around 1885 who bears her surname.  She was widowed in 1880.  I cannot find his birt certificate, but have all the others.  I guess she spent some time in a workhouse or similar.  I have yet to find my grandmother, Nellie in 1891, and I know she never left the UK.  Maud did return to her mother after 5 years in the childrens home.

Elisabeth GYE is a good possibility, I would think.

I will look up the ships log for Charlotte; and I would think the two entries for Charlotte are simply handwriting discrepencies from two seperate documents, wouldn't you?  September 20 and September 29 etc? 

Karen, yes, that is them in 1881.  My grandmother is Nellie.  JJ, do you mean the parents of  Charlotte , Kate and Elizabeth?  They are Robert Gay and Charlotte Gay.  I have their marriage and birt certificates, all around London UK.  Robert died in 1880, age 34.


JJ, young Charlotte was definitely born in 1869.  Could she perhaps have returned to England and then back to Canada?   Could that be possible, I wonder?  She would have been one of Miss Rye's older girls - might she have escorted travellling groups? 

Second names.... only Charlotte Alice who was the first born and Robert who was last and the only boy.  All the other girls had only one name.  I guess they used Alice in the early years because mother was also Charlotte.

Now to copy all this info down in a manageable format.........

Thank you, thank you.......

Connie

[J.J.]

Hmmm didn't get notification for your reply...that's been happening a lot lately, but I keep always notify on...Site getting busy and getting glitches I suppose...
 Have you heard from collections Canada yet? Still curious as to what the correspondence docket holds...maybe nothing, but who knows...never saw this before...
Sorry about your illness in the family... Thanks for the reply...wish we could find more on Kate and especially Elizabeth...  J.J.

[Con]

Golly, I see it is nearly a year since I last wrote.  My research time is very limited by my need to care for my adopted daughter who is profoundly disabled and I have also been busy on other lines of research whenever I had a moment for it.

I think I could probably complete on this enquiry for now as I have managed to trace Charlotte GAY/WAITE's  very long life which ended in Muskoka and I have the certificates etc.  Some very kind  local genealogists have even photographed her gravestone for me.  And we already know about her brother Robert GAY through his US descendents...........

So.........I  am now returning to the two little BHC sisters, ELIZABETH and KATE GAY and I think I possibly should start a new thread as I have a little nugget of new infomation about them to explore.

But I do find it a little confusing about finding my way around Rootschat - last time I seemed to arrive through the wrong door!- so I think I will wait a little to hear back from you first.

Connie

[J.J.]

Actually, no, don't start a new thread, as the 2 are already mentioned on this one...( they began the query, actually) There are only a few handfuls of people who help on the whole board and about half of them work on BHC threads....so they will be notified and if not I will notify them....
Please ask within this thread or resources and answers may be duplicated, and to no end, really....
Looking forward to hearing the new "tidbit" on the gals...J.J.

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but whenever you do start a new query just make sure it is on a main board, or sub board...not on a resource board...You'll do fine...

[J.J.]

I'll use this reply to do an update on the thread...

Kate GAY age 7 and Elizabeth GAY age 8 sailed to Canada on the Sarmation with Maria Rye's party in 1881.  They are probably my great aunts.
older sister (arrived 1883) Charlotte Alice GAY married John Allen Waite / farmer..she also was known as Alice Charlotte...

Robert Gay ( found in U.S. not stated if he was a home child)
CHARLOTTE GAY's date of birth is 21 May 1869 ( d. 1964)
ELIZABETH GAY'S date of birth is 18 July 1873
KATE GAY'S date of birth  is 11 September 1875

older sister Charlotte Alice GAY married John Allen Waite / farmer

Death found for John A. Waite,  March 31, 1915
Fraserburg P.O., Oaklley /  Muskoka /
children from birth details & 1911 census
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census11/View.jsp?id=98634&highlight=14
Irene Alicia Waite born Oct. 1895 ( marriage found)
Wilfred Waite born October 24, 1897
Winnifred Amelia Waite born Jan 22 1900
Arthur Waite born October 5 1901
David Charles Waite  August 30, 1905 ( d. 1994 )


a Katie Gay is found on the 1901 but says born 1876, Dec...and no year of immigration given...although born England....
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census/DisplayPagePanb.jsp?id=110548&highlight=13

Found them again....here they all are on the 1881 / London, Middlesex, Eng.
Charlotte Gay as head is a widow age 34 b. Marylebone, Middlesex, England     
Alice Gay  ( Charlotte) age 11 b.St Pancras, Middlesex, England            
Elizabeth Gay age 7 b.Clapham, Surrey, England            
Kate Gay age 5  b.Marylebone, Middlesex, England            
Nellie Gay age 4 b. Paddington, Middlesex, England            
Maude Gay  age 2 b.Marylebone, Middlesex, England
Robert Gay  age 12 m  b. Marylebone, Middlesex, England

and could we have the names of the parents...I am guessing Charlotte Thomas and Robert Gay ( see a death age 34 1880 Marylebone)....but if we are to find any marriages, the names of the parents are necessary...although they may  have been too young know  the maiden name of the mother....but you never know....

also this may have been another birth for them
Julia Gay  -  born  Jan 4th 1871 ( might be Wandsworth - BMD - 1d  550)
Christened Feb. 5th 1871 Holy Trinity, Clapham, Surrey, England
to ROBERT GAY & CHARLOTTE

[Janice M]

Here are some links:

Miss Rye’s Home for Children – Niagara
Miss Rye's distributing home for immigrant children
http://www.nflibrary.ca/nfplindex/data/6/0/89660-501787.jpg

http://www.nflibrary.ca/nfplindex/show.asp?id=89660&b=1

Tweety Bird Genealogy
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~tweetybirdgenealogy/index.html

The Golden Bridge: Young Immigrants to Canada, 1833-1939By Marjorie Kohli
http://tinyurl.com/2uye4k

The Little Immigrants: The Orphans Who Came to Canada By Kenneth Bagnell
http://tinyurl.com/34tcnx

Passenger Manifets
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/archivianet/passenger/001045-100.01-e.php

Wilfred Waite
Attestation Papers
http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc017/654312a.gif
http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc017/654312b.gif

Muskoka / Parry Sound Genealogy
http://www.waynecook.com/parrysound.html

Muskoka Parry Sound Genealogy Group
http://www.mpsgg.com/



Janice