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Mother's maiden name
« on: Thursday 08 March 07 22:10 GMT (UK) »
Hi, After looking over my grandfather's birth certificate, I noticed his father was also nammed Edward Rutter.  Looking at his mother's name, Elizabeth Rutter, I noticed her maiden name was Madmore.  Is there any way to tell where she or her family originated?
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Re: Mother's maiden name
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 08 March 07 22:15 GMT (UK) »
Hi Waralan

I suppose the answer will vary, depending on the date of birth of your grandfather.

If you can find him with his parents on a census, or even find his mother before marriage, her birthplace should be given.

Do you have some dates that might help us?

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SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN - HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD - GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS - WIL: WEBB, SALTER - RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS - GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY - MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD - SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON - IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK)

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Re: Mother's maiden name
« Reply #2 on: Friday 09 March 07 08:35 GMT (UK) »
If you check your old threads, specifically
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,14461.msg72189.html#msg72189
I gave you 1861 and 1871 census details back in Nov 2004, which included Elizabeth's place of birth

In that same thread you also gave details of her in 1851 where she was 28, birthplace Leverington Cambs, so it seems as though you already have the answer to your question in your files.
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell

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Re: Mother's maiden name
« Reply #3 on: Friday 01 January 10 18:38 GMT (UK) »
Thanks to all, I was asking specifically about the lady not a general question.  I know, of course, the other info.
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« Reply #4 on: Saturday 02 January 10 08:41 GMT (UK) »
Your general question "Is there any way to tell where she or her family originated? " had been specifically answered by yourself in an earlier thread - the lady in question's birthplace is shown in censuses as Leverington c1823. Perhaps your question should have been "Can anyone find her baptism in Leverington so I can get her parents' names"

But moving on from semantics, there are no Madmores anywhere that I can trace, and I've struggled to find her marriage to Edward Rutter. I finally found it on www.freebmd.org.uk where it's recorded as Edward Rutty and Elizabeth Wadmore in Wisbech registration district vol 14 page 263 in the Dec quarter 1842.  The local register office - http://www2.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/db/ridmars.nsf/search?OpenForm - shows it as Edward Rutty and Elizabeth Meadmore

In 1841 in Leverington there's Edward Wadmore 45 ag lab, Elizabeth Wadmore 45, Sarah Wadmore 9, Ann Wadmore 6. Edward & Eliz not born in Cambs, the two younger ones born in Cambs.

In 1851 still in Leverington were Edward Wadmore 57 born Hilgay Norfolk, and Elizabeth Wadmore 57 born Stanground Huntingdonshire. I can't see their marriage.

If you check http://www.cfhs.org.uk/BaptismIndex/index.html you'll find Elizabeth baptised in 1822 at Leverington, daughter of the above Edward and Elizabeth, along with her siblings - just put Wadmore in the appropriate box on the search page.
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell

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Re: Mother's maiden name
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 13 January 10 00:44 GMT (UK) »
Thanks everyone for your help.  In phashing my original question, I went by the assumption that birth certificates were accurate.  Now I see the deviation.
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Re: Mother's maiden name
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 13 January 10 07:43 GMT (UK) »
They're as accurate as the writing on them. Three different transcribers have come up with three different interpretations - Meadmore from the local register, that would have been transcribed in 1842 for transmission to the GRO and the modern transcriber of that transcription came up with Wadmore. I don't know which certificate you have, the local one or the GRO one, but you obviously think it's Madmore. An upper case W can easily look like an upper case M

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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell

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Re: Mother's maiden name
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 13 January 10 16:49 GMT (UK) »
     David, it was a typewritten one.  I looked at Wadmore and it worked perfectly.
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« Reply #8 on: Thursday 14 January 10 00:44 GMT (UK) »
I know my elizabeth came to the US.  Is there any way to know if her siblings did also?
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