borthwick brick wall!!

[corinnelisa]

Hi all
I've hit a brick wall! I have info on my gg grandmother Hannah Borthwick b 1850 in Blindcrake. I have her parents John b 1810 Ireby and Elizabeth Nixon b 1818 Ireby.
However search and search as I might, I cant get any further with John. On all the Census he is born Ireby, however I know there are a lot of Borthwicks in southern Scotland, Could it be I'm just looking in completely the wrong place. The IGI comes up with nothing for Cumberland.
I hope someone else is looking into the Borthwicks and they might be able to help.
Thanks in advance

[Valda]

If this is him, he doesn't seem to be born Ireby on the 1851 census?

HO107 2481 (very faded so not certain) folio 541
Isell, Blindcrake, and Redmain  Cumberland   
John Berthwin  40  Torpenhow, Cumberland,  Head Married Husbandman
Elizabeth Berthwin  32  Ireby, Cumberland, Wife Married
Joseph Berthwin 9 Bromfield, Cumberland, Son 
Robert Berthwin 3  Son 
Hannah Berthwin 1  Daughter 

Coverage of Torpenhow parish registers on the IGI only starts in 1813.

There is an Elizabeth Nixon in Bromfield parish, a female servant aged  20 on the 1841 census (adult ages rounded down to the nearest 5 on the 1841 census).

Have you found John and Elizabeth's marriage?

Regards

Valda

[Galium]

May have found John in 1841

Troutbeck Lodge,  Ireby High, Caldbeck
Superintendant Registrar's District: Wigton

John Burthwick 55 Ag lab  not born in county
Hannah Burthwick 55              born in county
John Burthwick 30 Ag lab        born in county

Both Ireby High and Torpenhow are in Wigton District.  There are  two  Burthwick/Borthwick families living in Torpenhow, William and Mary Ann transcribed as 'Burthulo' , and Thomas and Mary transcribed as 'Bernthwick'
 A Jane Burthwick married Joseph Sewell in Wigton district in 1839, and a Jane and Joseph Sewell are also living in Torpenhow

[corinnelisa]

Hi Valda

Thanks so much for that info. Its definitely the right one and cleared up a mystery!
I havent got his marriage yet. Is there anyway then of finding out details on his parents if the registers dont go back far enough?

Corinne

[corinnelisa]

Hi Gallium

This could very well be my John and his parents. It seems very likely. The John aged 55 "not born in county" will probably be quite hard to find i should imagine?
Corinne

[Galium]

Yes. 'Not born in county' does leave things rather wide open. But it at least tells you he was probably born in England, as people born in Scotland were noted with an 'S' in the last column on the census page.

How about this as possible marriage for John and Hannah?

(IGI)
JOHN BORTHWICK      
Spouse:     HANNAH CLARK    
Marriage:     23 MAY 1801      Bromfield, Cumberland, England
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.

Bromfield would be the right general area.   The original parish record might say if John is from a different parish - but that would only be where he was living and not necessarily his birthplace. 


Another thing is that the IGI shows some of John and Hannah's children: Thomas, Jane, Clarke and Hannah christened at Torpenhow, and George at Ireby. 

[Valda]

Torpenhow registers begin in 1651. The IGI has limited coverage and only for some years in the C19th.

Regards

Valda