Docherty/Campbell in Duntocher/Faifley

[JCibz]

Hi this is my first time on roots chat.  Does anyone have any info on Catherine Docherty born 1840 probably in Duntocher.  Her parents were Daniel and Catherine Docherty.  She married James Campbell in 1859 at Duntocher.  His Parents were John and Jane Campbell from Faifley.  Are Daniel and Catherine Docherty Scottish or Irish ?  I have some information about the Campbell family and the Allens from Old Kilpatrick and county Sligo  who are related to the Campbells.
I would love to hear from anyone who has information or could be related to these people.  Thank you,  Julie

[MonicaL]

Hi Julie

Welcome to RootsChat 

Have you confirmed Catherine's details on either her marriage or death certs. or her birth place on any censuses?

I can only see one Catherine that fits in the 1851 Census and mother is showing as Ann. All the family is showing as born in Ireland:

Daniel Docherty 45, ag. lab.
Ann Docherty    43
William Docherty 12
Cathrine Docherty 10
Thomas Docherty 6

Address: Main Street Back Court, Duntocher, Old Kilpatrick

Regards.

Monica

[MonicaL]

The IGI details for Catherine Docherty are submitted entries rather than actual extracts from the OPRs which may explain why some of the details don't fit.

Children showing to James Campell and Catherine Docherty on IGI, all post 1855 and actual registrations:

1. JEANIE CAMPBELL OR DOCHERTY  Birth: 21 MAR 1858 Old Kilpatrick, Dunbarton, Scotland
2. ANNIE CAMPBELL Birth: 09 OCT 1860 Old Kilpatrick, Dunbarton, Scotland
3. JOHN CAMPBELL Birth: 27 AUG 1862 Old Kilpatrick, Dunbarton, Scotland
4. JAMES CAMPBELL  Birth: 28 JUL 1864 Govan, Lanark, Scotland

Their first child Jeannie looks to have been born before they married in Oct. 1859.

Regards.

Monica

   
   
   

[MonicaL]

The family in 1861, everyone showing as born in Old Kilpatrick parish:

James Campbell    26, Cotton Spinner
Catherine Campbell 20
Jane Campbell    3
Annie Campbell    5 Mo

Address: Faifley No 83, Old Kilpatrick

Regards.

Monica

[MonicaL]

James Campbell looks to have died probably before the 1871 (this also shows on IGI), I can't as yet find the family in 1871 Census. Catherine looks to have remarried:

CATHERINE DOCHERTY  Marriages: Spouse: DANIEL GILL    
Marriage:  09 APR 1875  Old Kilpatrick, Dunbarton, Scotland

And her likely death entry on Scotlands People, the official pay to view BMD/Census Site:

1926   CAMPBELL   CATHERINE    Other surnnames: GILL DOCHERTY   F    age 84   @ OLD OR WEST KILPATRICK   /DUNBARTON   501/00 0068

[MonicaL]

The family's 1871 Census entry, looking like James has died pre 1871 (you will have to check the original image to check Catherine's status, married/widowed), and also confirmation of name of Ann for Catherine's mother:

Catharine Campbell 30, agr. lab. b. Ireland
Jane Campbell    12, b. Old Kilpatrick
Ann Campbell    9, b. Old Kilpatrick
James Campbell    5, b. Govan
Ann Docherty    60, Agr Lab Wife, b. Ireland

Address: Thomson's Land, Old Kilpatrick

Monica 

[JCibz]

Hi Monica,  Thank you so much for the info....

I can confirm the 1861 census as being my family.  Annie Campbell was my gt grandmother. She went on to marry a William Allen of County Sligo but married in Duntocher Scotland 19th Nov 1880.

As for Catherine I do have her marriage certificate to James Campbell 28/10/1859 in Duntocher.  she is listed as 19 years old of Duntocher, a spinster and worked as a steam loom weaver.  Her parents are named as Daniel Docherty and Catherine Docherty  maiden name Docherty .    James was 24 years ol of Faifley a bachelor and worked as a cotton spinner.  His parents are named as John Campbell and Jane Campbell maiden name Campbell.  Seems a bit strange that both mothers have married men with the same surname as their maiden names???

Where did you find the 1871 census ? Was it on Scotlands people ?
What is IGI ?  Sorry but I am new to all of this.

Regards,  Julie

[MonicaL]

Hi Julie

The information showing on the 1859 marriage cert. I would probably verify from other sources. The name certainly for Catherine's mother looks to have been Ann not Catherine. Whether her maiden name is also Docherty will hopefully show in some of the certificates.

You have 3 ways of trying to verify this info:

Ann looks to have been alive and living with Catherine in 1871 so you should hopefully be able to find her death cert. on SP to confirm what her maiden name was.

You could also have a look at Catherine's 1926 DC. Remember that the info however is only as good as what the person reporting the deaths knew, and sometimes people didn't know and information was missing or errors were made.

You could also look for Daniel Docherty's DC, there are a couple of possibilities on SP for him assuming he died in Dumbartonshire.

The 1871 census is available on Scotlands People or Ancestry's 1871 Scottish Census index.

Regards.

Monica

[MonicaL]

In respect of James Campbell, again you would have to look at his death cert. to further verify his parents' names.

I had a look at possible entries on the 1841 Census (most of the 1841 census has now been transcribed on FreeCen at www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl - good place to search first given it is free to use).

There is an entry for a  James b. 1831 with father John b. Ireland and Mrs (no first name) in Old Kilpatrick.

This looks like this family in 1851 and and actually does look a likely possibility for James given that mother looks to be Jane rather than Mrs! and address:

John Campbell    58, labourer, b. Ireland
Jane Campbell    57, b. Lochwinnoch, Renfrewshire
Margret Campbell 26, cotton carder, Lochwinnoch, Renfrewshire
James Campbell    19, cotton packer, b. Old Kilpatrick
Jane Campbell    8, granddaughter, b. Old Kilpatrick

Address:  89 Faifley Road, Duntocher, Old Kilpatrick

Regards.

Monica