Edward Matthew Saunders

[lady_spurs]

Just wondered if anyone could help.

Edward Matthew Saunders was born in abt 1855 in Oxfordshire his father,also Edward M, was born in Knaresborough.

Edward Matthew married Elizabeth(Betsy) Maxwell in Sheffield 1876.In the 1881 census they lived in Ecclesall Bierlow.

But, in the 1891 census he was married to Harriet?b.1864 in Sheffield, I can't  find out who Harriet was,or when and if he married her.

Edward Matthew's daughter,Florence,was my great grandmother but I don't know if Betsy or Harriet was her mother.

Any help would be much appreciated.

lady_spurs

[Sisterjane]

Hi

Could you please give the Ref No for the 1891 cencus.

Thanks

Joe

[Sisterjane]

Sorry Ive found it now will get back to you if I can find anything

Joe 

[Manchester Rambler]

This looks like Florence's birth registration:

Births Dec 1888   (>99%)
SAUNDERS    Florence Marsden        
Sheffield 9c 401

There are also registrations in Sheffield for other children with the same middle name:

Dec Q 1885 - Bertram Marsden SAUNDERS

Mar Q 1892 - Fred Marsden SAUNDERS  (d. Jun Q 1892)

Jun Q 1893 - Ethel Marsden SAUNDERS  (d. Dec Q 1899)

Mar Q 1896 - George Marsden SAUNDERS 

Bertram is wrongly listed as Benjamin in 1891, but is shown correctly in 1901 along with Florence ("Florrie") and George.

I imagine that these are all Harriet's children, as the older ones don't have the same middle name.  It's likely that Harriet's surname was Marsden, but the best way to be sure is to buy Florence's birth cert!  (I can't see a marriage or an obvious death for Edward's first wife.)

Rambler

[Sisterjane]

Hi again

Like you I couldnt find a remarriage for Edward or a death for Betsy however I do think its possible that Harriet is Elizabeth/Betsey from the 1881.

The 1891 also has 2 of the children also with different names to what it says in the 1881 cencus and also her birthplace is Sheffield same as 1881 and her age is also consistant its only out by 2 years but to be sure I would be tempted to get a birth cert or two perhaps the eldest child and the youngest.

Joe

[lady_spurs]

Hi Joe and Rambler,
I think you are both right and I will need to get Florence's birth certificate, it's the only way I can sure.
Thankyou both very much for taking the trouble to look for me.

lady_spurs

[Dalum]

A burial from Sheffield Indexers (http://sheff-indexers.thewholeshebang.org):

Saunders, Fred Marsden (child, age 5 mo).
Died at 1 ct Portland St; Buried on June 4, 1892 in Consecrated ground;
Grave Number 11006, Section W of City Road Cemetery, Sheffield.

This may be a public grave, but if you post a query on their message board (no registration required) someone should be able to tell you if this grave has a gravestone.

A Bertram SAUNDERS is buried in Walkley Cemetery:

Grave J163
SAUNDERS Bertram 29 Sep 1930 57 Morley St 45 TM Archer
MARSH Nellie 23 Dec 1946 35 Morley St. 61 J.W.A. Copeland
[name/date of burial/address or place where death occurred/age/minister]

The ministers are Anglicans. This grave has a gravestone, as yet unrecorded.

Hugh
(Friends of Walkley Cemetery)

[lady_spurs]

Thanks Hugh,
Sorry it's taken so long to reply.
Thankyou for the information, the Bertram Saunders is interesting, on Florence Saunders marriage certificate one of the witness's is a 'Bertie' Saunders.
Thanks again, all information is very much appreciated.

lady_spurs

[PRIESTLEY3]

hi
edward matthew is my 2nd g/granddad we have a birth certificate &marriage to elizabeth maxwell
also edward mountain marriage to sarah &his death certificates florence is harriets daughter
edward matthew had a son gilbert my dads dad is name raymond arthur saunders
we also found a marriage for edward mountains dad john saunders to ann bryant in 1835 in bristol
edward mountain was born 1826 in knaresbrough ? you might know all this but we have hit a brick wall  hoping you might be able to help us we just started i asked a researcher to help she said all records are at north allerton yorkshire and i would have to pay$400 might wait and go myself this year. regards pat