HOGGAN

[PBN]

Susan and Rose,
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PBN (Margaret Heywood)

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[RoseCanada]

MARGARET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  It is so good to find you again!!!!!!!!!

Happy New Year, and yes, I'll save your address properly this time!

[AggieH]

I've just registered after reading your message. I'm a direct descendant of Robert Hoggan, who was John Hoggan's (born about 1831/32) third child, second son. The children were up 1871 when they moved to Bothkennar Agnes (1852ish), William (1855ish), Robert (1856), Catherine (1888ish) and John (1860ish). Robert was my great-great-grandfather. His great grandaughter (also Agnes) lived till she was 94 nad I know most of the places you speak abput. I lived in the area myself until my early 20s.

Get back to me if you have any other queries.

[RoseCanada]

Hi, Aggie,
Is it Robert Sneddon Hoggan b. Jan. 25, 1856,  son of John Hoggan abt. 1830 and Catherine Logan that you are descended from?  The names and dates fit so well here, fingers crossed!  John and Catherine's children were:  Agnes abt. 1851?    William 1853,  Robert 1856,  Catherine, 1858, John 1860, Margaret 1862, Janet 1865,  Jane 1868, Andrew 1870 and my grandfather Alexander, 1872.  Have birth cert. for all except Agnes.
Robert Sneddon Hogggan married Margaret Easton, and ended up living in Alberta, Canada.

Rosemary

[Alanex]

Hi,

Not sure if any of you have seen this page, or if it's even of any use...

http://www.tompaterson.ukfamily.com/census/Slamannan/Slam1881Page993.html

Hope it can be of use to someone,

Alan.

[PBN]

Dear Rosemary,
As you have probably found on my family tree, Margaret Hoggan (daughter of Major George Hoggan and Margaret Jardine) did not marry William Gillespie. Her sister Charlotte married William. He was a Minister of Religion and sadly died a few months after their wedding.
I have recently found where Margaret died on August 18, 1832, aged 42 years in Bengal, India. She may have visiting her brothers in India. I have no record of Margaret marrying.
One more detail for our tree.
Cheers Margaret (PBN)

[RoseCanada]

Alanex,

Hi there..........Tom Paterson's website is excellent, and it was so wonderful to find when I first was starting with this tree.  You are quite right to recommend it!

PBN ,

Hi Margaret.......that fits with what I have.  Do you also have the writeups on my his theological career?    I do; probably got it from the net.  Keep in touch!

Rosemary

[AggieH]

OK Now I'm getting confused!  I've traced my Granny's family back, but got stuck. She was born a Hoggan, to a Matthew Hoggan; he was born around 1878 to Robert Hoggan and Elizabeth Hoggan (nee McNeil). He had a sister, Margaret born in 1879. Robert and Elizabeth were both born in Stirling. I can find no record of their marriage, but that's not too uncommon. Elizabeth died on 16th March 1894 in North Lanarkshire. I can find no record of Matthew or Margaret's birth, nor anything that makes sense  I think that the Robert that is my ancestor may be Robert Sneddon Hoggan, and perhaps he emigrated after the death of Elizabeth? There is little or no reference about Matthew - only the marriage to my great-grandmother.  On the plus side though - I know the area you all talk about extremely well. My family settled in Muiravonside Parish, and my Granny ended up in Bothkennar Parish. I also remember well visits to family in Denny, Longcroft and the Haggs. My mother and father were the first of the family not to actually work in the pits. I still visit Central Scotland regularly to see my mother - she's a fund of knowledge!

AggieH

[RoseCanada]

Hi, Aggie,

I can help you out some.  This is the information I have on your Robert Hoggan, married to Elizabeth McNeil.


1856 Births in the Parish of Slamanan in the County of Stirling
ROBERT HUGGINS
1856, January 13th 7 h. 30 m AM
Newfieldyke
Father:  MATTHEW HUGGINS, coal miner
Mother:  ELIZABETH HOGGAN, MS PATON
Informant:  Matthew Huggins his x mark, father, not present
Robert Main, registrar, witness
1856 January 15th at Slamanan, Robert Main, registrar

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1877 in the Burgh of Airdrie in the County of  Lanarkon the ninth day of May, at Flowerhill Parish Manse of Airdrie

 After Banns according to the Forms of the Established Church of Scotland
Signed:  Robert Hoggans, coal miner, bachelor, age 20
Roughrigg, New Monkland
Father:  MATTHEW HOGGANS, coal miner
Mother:  MARION HOGGANS MS PATON, deceased
Signed:  Elizabeth McNEIL, outdoor worker, spinster, age 20
Father:  JOHN McNEIL, coal miner
Mother:  ELIZABETH McNEIL MS BLACK
Signed:  James Paton, minister
Witnesses: John Fleming , his x mark, Marion Hoggan her x mark
1877, May 10, at Airdrie, M. Whyte, registrar

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I haven't been able to find Maggie/Margaret's birth, but did find her marriage:

1904, Marriages in the District of Haggs in the County of Stirling

1904, on the 24th day of June at Russell Memorial Hall, District of Haggs
After Banns according to the Forms of the Church of Scotland
Signed:  David Anthony, saw miller, bachelor, 24, Wester Seamores,Haggs
Father:  William Anythony, general labourer
Mother:  Jane Anthony MS MacKenzie
Signed:  Maggie Hoggan saleswoman in ? shop, spinster, 24, Banknock,Kilsyth
Father:  Robert Hoggan, coal miner, deceased
Mother:  Elizabeth McNeil, deceased
Signed:  Alexander Robertson, minister of Haggs
Witnesses:  George Anthony, Agnes Marshall
1904, June 24th at Haggs, James Robertson, reg.


Matthew Hoggan b. 1878 in Slamannan:


1878 Births in the Parish of Slamanan in the County of Stirling
Matthew Hoggans
1878, January 28th 8 h. AM, Toddsbright, Parish of Slamanan
Father:  Robert Hoggans, coal miner
Mother:  Elizabeth Hoggans, MS McNeil
1877 May 10, Airdrie
Robert Hoggans, father
1878, Feb. 15th at Slamanan, John Horne, Assist. reg.



1899, Marriages in the District of Haggs in the County of Stirling

1899, on the 29th day of September at Haggs, District of Haggs
After Publication according to the Forms of the Church of Scotland

Signed:  Matthew Hoggan, coal miner, age 21 of Distillery Row,Haggs
Father:  Robert Hoggan, coal miner, deceased
Mother:  Elizabeth Hoggan, MS MacNeil, deceased
and
Christina Donaldson, domestic servant, spinster, 18, of Distillery Row, Haggs
Father:  William Donaldson, coal miner
Mother:  Agnes Donaldson, MS Miller
Signed:  Alexander Robertson, Minister of Haggs
Witnesses:  John Ovens, Mary Donaldson
1899 on Sept. 30th at Haggs, James Robertson, reg.

I have the children of Matthew and Christina Donaldson as

Elizabeth McNeil Hoggan b. 1905 (m. William George Williamson)
Matthew
Robert

Is that correct?

Alas, my Robert Sneddon Hoggan doesn't fit into yours except perhaps the fact that Robert (married to McNeil) was a child of Matthew Hay Hoggan and Elizabeth Paton.  Matthew Hay Hoggan's parents were Robert Hoggan and Jean Horn, and my great great grandfather may also have been a child of that marriage, which DOES make us related.  Have to prove that one, and probably never will.

Rosemary