Richard or Robert Fisher 1823

[malcermie]

I am having a problem. I have a Richard J Fisher (b1822) in Alkham in the 1861 census. But in the original record he is shown as Robert Fisher. I can't trace him back any further and am getting very confused with a Robert Fisher (b1825) in Elham. There seems to be several coincidences and I seem to be going down two parallel paths.
Malc

[casalguidi]

Hi Malc

Perhaps it would help others to help you if you could post some definite information on your "R" FISHER.

Which census years do you have him on (presumably married with a family) where you are certain that it is the correct man and what is his name/date and place of birth for those years.

Or would it be easier to start with his son/daughter for whom you have certain information

Casalguidi

[Sisterjane]

Hi

I think the birthplace Alkham has been mistranscribed and should read Elham

Will see if I can sort it out

Joe

[Sisterjane]

Well

Richard is Robert again on the 1871....very confusing..

I think the transcriber just either read the 61 wrongly and indexed Robert as Richard.

Mind you I think there is a place called Alkham in Kent so forget my post about it.

Joe...going dizzy with Richards and Roberts LOL

[Eyesee]

I agree with Joe. When I looked at it for your other query I thought it said Robert, not Richard. The son was Richard J.

Robert more than likely the son of Pearce Fisher.

Ian C

[malcermie]

Here is some more information which I hope helps.

Working backwards from my grandfather PERCY STEPHEN FISHER (b1882) in DOVER, KENT.I have his father as JOHN EDWARD FISHER (b1853) at St. MARGARETS AT CLIFFE, KENT. He was married to a JANE GOLDSACK (b1853) and had several brothers including a RICHARD JAMES FISHER (b1854). We then come to the Robert or Richard in question who was married to a SARAH (b1829). Thank you all for your intest and help.
BTW. Elham and Alkham in Kent are only about ten miles apart.
Malc

[malcermie]

I now believe Roberts wife could have been SARAH RIDDEN (b1825) in RINGWOULD, KENT. and that Ridden was her married name from a previous marriage. She is shown with a son WILLIAM RICHARD KNIGHT RIDDDEN in the 1851 census
Malc

[Eyesee]

1861
Reach Court, St Margaret at Cliffe

Robert FISHER, head mar 39, Shepherd, born Alkham, Kent
Sarah FISHER, wife mar 37, born Ringwould, Kent
William Richard KNIGHT, son 10, born Ringwould, Kent
John E FISHER, son 8, born St Margarets, Kent
Richard J FISHER, son 7, born St Margarets, Kent
Mary Jane FISHER,  dau 6, born St Margarets, Kent
George V FISHER, son 4, born St Margarets, Kent
Charles N FISHER, son 2, born St Margarets, Kent
Jane E FISHER, dau 5m, born St Margarets, Kent


Robert FISHER married Sarah READEN/RIDEN Jun qtr 1852 Dover 2a 919
The registration is under both names.

1871 they are at Selling and his age is 48 born at Elam.

1851
a lodger at the house of Edward SMITH, St Margarets at Cliffe
Robert FISHER, lodger widower 28, Farm shepherd, born Kent, Elham
Ann FISHER, dau 6, born Kent, St Margaret.

Age fits with that in 1861 and 48 in 1871, 59 in 1881

Robert FISHER married Mary Ann HOLIDAY at Elham, Dec qtr 1841 5 277 OR Ann GOLDSACK or Charlotte NEWING Dec qtr 1845 Dover 5 237.

The marriage cert in 1852 will give his fathers name and confirm if he was a widower or bachelor. The only other Robert that I can see in 1841 is a servant to a farmer John Kite at Poulton, which is possibly another name for shepherd.

In 1901 Robert, a widower, is with his widowed sister, Elizabeth SHARPE. Elizabeth Fisher married Stephen SHARP Sep qtr 1855 at Elham 2a 1022, 4 August 1855 according to the IGI. Although it is possible this Elizabeth is a sister of the other Robert Fisher, son of Pierce. There is an Elizabeth in 1841 aged 6, daughter of Pierce.

It is quite possible the two Roberts were cousins.

Ian C

[PassionPlay]

Robert FISHER married Mary Ann HOLIDAY at Elham, Dec qtr 1841 5 277 OR Ann GOLDSACK or Charlotte NEWING Dec qtr 1845 Dover 5 237.

This Robert married Mary Ann - she was my g-g-g-grandmother.

I have a note of the Alkham Robert but have not made a positive link to mine - although I think it's quite likely!

Robert and Mary Ann lived in Newington (Next Hythe).


Steph.