Author Topic: Collages, A question for Restorers  (Read 11918 times)

Offline deeiluka

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 9,074
  • Mrs Dee & me.......
    • View Profile
Collages, A question for Restorers
« on: Tuesday 10 April 07 05:34 BST (UK) »
I have been trying to be clever and combine 8 head and shoulder cropped photographs into one picture for a specific purpose. This would give me 8 generations together.  I have done that part of it as well as I am able.

However, my question is - can unwanted shoulders etc be removed? When I have cropped I have sometimes got part of the shoulder of the next person inside the oval, and it spoils it rather. I imagine it could be removed but am not really sure. I don't want to ask for help with something that can't be done, so would appreciate advice.

.......dee
Steeles, Burton, Garrod (Norfolk), Clarke, Tomblin (Rutland)
Bauer (London, France), Blades, Parker (Surrey)
Edwards, Coles, Smith, Nunley, Craddock, York, & Linnell (Northants) )
Ehmcke, Deimel, Appelkamp (Germany)
Watts (Somerset, Wiltshire) Selway, Churchill, & Chappell (Somerset)
Redwood (Devon, Essex) Button, Archer, Leach (Cambridgeshire)

Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Offline PrueM

  • RootsChat Honorary
  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 12,637
  • Please don't try to PM me :)
    • View Profile
Re: A question for Restorers
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 10 April 07 05:49 BST (UK) »
Hi Dee  :)

It can definitely be done.  What software are you using?  I use PHotoshop Elements, and if I was composing something like you've described, I would have each head in a different layer.  That means I can edit them all separately, and can use the eraser tool to remove anything I don't want.

Prue

Offline deeiluka

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 9,074
  • Mrs Dee & me.......
    • View Profile
Re: A question for Restorers
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 10 April 07 05:53 BST (UK) »
Thanks Prue. So it can be done. I only have Photostudio 200 and I have tried to do various things using the tools. Trouble is I don't really know what I am doing and my hands don't always do what I tell them. But I am always willing to have a go.

I know about layers - that's how I have put the 8 generations into one picture. .....dee
Steeles, Burton, Garrod (Norfolk), Clarke, Tomblin (Rutland)
Bauer (London, France), Blades, Parker (Surrey)
Edwards, Coles, Smith, Nunley, Craddock, York, & Linnell (Northants) )
Ehmcke, Deimel, Appelkamp (Germany)
Watts (Somerset, Wiltshire) Selway, Churchill, & Chappell (Somerset)
Redwood (Devon, Essex) Button, Archer, Leach (Cambridgeshire)

Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Offline PrueM

  • RootsChat Honorary
  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 12,637
  • Please don't try to PM me :)
    • View Profile
Re: A question for Restorers
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 10 April 07 06:55 BST (UK) »
OK, so if you have the different layers, you should be able to edit each one separately.  I just looked on Google for some info about your software, and found the ArcSoft page that describes it, and shows some screen shots - I can see from those that there is an eraser tool, so you should easily be able to do what you want. 

All you would need to do is click on a layer, to select it for editing, and then click on the eraser tool - you might have to adjust the size etc. of the eraser, I like to use a blurred edge on my erasers so things don't look too sharp and "cut out". 

I would be interested to know how you get on  :)

Prue


Offline deeiluka

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 9,074
  • Mrs Dee & me.......
    • View Profile
Re: A question for Restorers
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 10 April 07 07:04 BST (UK) »
I'm having a go Prue.    :o   :o   :o 

In one word at the moment I have to describe what is happening as "shaky"    ;D   ;D   ;D

Will keep you posted!

....dee
Steeles, Burton, Garrod (Norfolk), Clarke, Tomblin (Rutland)
Bauer (London, France), Blades, Parker (Surrey)
Edwards, Coles, Smith, Nunley, Craddock, York, & Linnell (Northants) )
Ehmcke, Deimel, Appelkamp (Germany)
Watts (Somerset, Wiltshire) Selway, Churchill, & Chappell (Somerset)
Redwood (Devon, Essex) Button, Archer, Leach (Cambridgeshire)

Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Offline deeiluka

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 9,074
  • Mrs Dee & me.......
    • View Profile
Re: A question for Restorers
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 10 April 07 07:26 BST (UK) »
Right Prue - I have used the eraser and then the clone tool to fill the spaces - main problems I have are that the edges of the ovals now tend to have "wobbles" in them. And my poor daughter's arm looks distinctly lumpy.    ;D

However, for a first attempt I am reasonably satisfied.

Next question - if I worked with a copy of the original photo - and when I had removed and replaced the necessary bits, then I cropped the ovals to put in the layered picture - that should overcome the wobbly edges, shouldn't it?

.....dee
Steeles, Burton, Garrod (Norfolk), Clarke, Tomblin (Rutland)
Bauer (London, France), Blades, Parker (Surrey)
Edwards, Coles, Smith, Nunley, Craddock, York, & Linnell (Northants) )
Ehmcke, Deimel, Appelkamp (Germany)
Watts (Somerset, Wiltshire) Selway, Churchill, & Chappell (Somerset)
Redwood (Devon, Essex) Button, Archer, Leach (Cambridgeshire)

Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Offline PrueM

  • RootsChat Honorary
  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 12,637
  • Please don't try to PM me :)
    • View Profile
Re: A question for Restorers
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 10 April 07 08:31 BST (UK) »
Hi Dee,
Yep  :D  Always easier to do everything you can on the original scan, then copy and paste into your new composition.
Prue

Offline deeiluka

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 9,074
  • Mrs Dee & me.......
    • View Profile
Re: A question for Restorers
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 10 April 07 10:34 BST (UK) »
Much easier that way, Prue - although I still struggled with my stupid hands. (fingers that turn at weird angles don't always like doing fiddly things.   ;D  )

I am quite pleased with how the picture has turned out.  I now have a picture of 8 generations together, instead of two groups of 4. It is going to make a great card for my mother - one of the generations.

Many thanks for your help and encouragement.

.....dee
Steeles, Burton, Garrod (Norfolk), Clarke, Tomblin (Rutland)
Bauer (London, France), Blades, Parker (Surrey)
Edwards, Coles, Smith, Nunley, Craddock, York, & Linnell (Northants) )
Ehmcke, Deimel, Appelkamp (Germany)
Watts (Somerset, Wiltshire) Selway, Churchill, & Chappell (Somerset)
Redwood (Devon, Essex) Button, Archer, Leach (Cambridgeshire)

Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Offline mudge

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 5,508
    • View Profile
Re: A question for Restorers
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 10 April 07 10:42 BST (UK) »
Have followed conversation with interest and managed to keep stum :-X :-X :-X, as Prue did a good job on her own ;) ;) ;)
However it would make a nice conclusion if you could post the final collage.  I for one am intrigued 8) 
Mudge :)