Help needed please, Scotland 1871

[MonicaL]

Hi Maddie

Just had a quick look at Michael's DC which shows father as JOHN....so, looking likely that a mistake was made with his father's name on his MC. This then, as has already been discussed, would fit with the names of his children.

1933   GIBLIN   MICHAEL    M   81   ST ANDREW   EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN   685/02 0073

Hopefully, the DC for the 1862 death of an Ann Giblin/Conway will also show John for husband 

Regards.

Monica

[MonicaL]

This looks a possibility in 1881 for father John and daughter Ann (who shows with brother Michael perhaps) in later censuses:

John Giblin    76, Paper Mill Labourer, b. Ireland
Ann Giblin    30, general servant, b. ireland

Address: 18 Pipe Str. Lane, Duddingston, Midlothian


Leaving aside (for a mo!) the issue of age going up and down, this is the only death of a John Giblin in the right age group, so happens also in the right place:

1882   GIBLIN   JOHN    M   67   DUDDINGSTON AND PORTOBELLO   EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN   684/01 0027

Regards.

Monica

[Maddie]

Thank you so much Monica.

That is good of you to look at Michaels DC. Now why didn't I think of that.

Mind you, I didn't realize Scottish certs gave so much info on them. So with the DC's for John & Ann Giblin I should get their parents also.

That would be them on the 1881 then. I do actually have the 81 Scottish census on my discs so had found them before.

I'm really grateful to you, now if I could only find the parents of Michaels wife Mary Agnes Hoey, that would be the icing on the cake.

Many thanks.

Maddie

[MonicaL]

I've just had a quick look at John snr.'s DC and that is the clincher...son Michael reported the death 

With Mary Hoey, I would start probably in America/Georgia. Have you tried putting up a post on the emigrants board for a look up on the US 1851/61 censuses for the family?  www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,136.0.html

Regards.

Monica

[Maddie]

You are a star, many many thanks.


Regards Mary, I have put a post on the American board & Kath MC kindly looked for me but alas, no sign of the Hoey/Hoy's in 61 with a daughter Mary Agnes or 51 for any James & Jane. They are a mystery. It would help if I could find when Mary A returned to Scotland/England. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any ships passenger lists for a return journey.

As both her parents are deceased on her marriage I hoped I would find them on SP but no luck. I don't have enough info to narrow down all the James Hoey DC & I couldn't find a Jane Hoey nee Johnston any way.

They could have died any where.

Again, thank you for your brilliant help.

Regards
Maddie

[Maddie]

Hi Monica

Just to let you know, have downloaded Ann Giblin's DC & YES, her husband was John.

Now I have to put more credits on SP. 

I think I'm getting somewhere.

Best wishes
Maddie

[trish251]

Hi Maddie

It seems while I was sleeping Monica has found lots of good information.  Nice to see. I would like to ask her how one "has a quick look at a certificate" . Living in Australia I am used to having parent names in BDM indexes, but I have found in Scotland I often have to download a couple before I find the correct one - if there is an alternative method I would love to know what it is.

Apologies I didn't mention the Scottish certificates - the only ones I have seen with more information are Australian - they tend to have similar (and sometimes more) than the 1855 Scottish certificates. I have only bought one English death certificate - they do seem to have very little information. Did you get names for Ann's parents on her death certificate? Hopefully that may help.

Here is the 1901 transcript

Edinburgh St Cuthbert : 18 Saunders St
Michael Giblin 48 head  Joiner Journeyman born Ireland
Mary A  44 wife born America
Mary A  20 daur dressmaker
Michael  18 son Apprentice Painter
Elizabeth     15 daur shop girl
Margaret     13 daur scholar
Mary A     10 daur   do
George     8   son  do
Raymond P    4  son
Ann Giblin     55  sister visitor born Ireland

All the children born Edinburgh Midlothian

Trish

[MonicaL]

Hi Trish

I seem to have used the expression "had a quick look" more than once in my last couple of posts    Just fortunate to get the right certs. on SP on first try!

Regards.

Monica 

[tidybooks]

Hi monica, Trish & Maddie,

Been following the posts, and I am still not sure about John' death aged 67, we found him aged 76 with daughter Ann in 1881. Should the age on death certificate show 77 not 67. I have printed everyhting out to check, here is what i am working off

1862   Ann Giblin nee Conway died Edinburgh  684/02 0015
1933   Michael Giblin age 81 died Edinburgh 685/02 0073 Father John
1882     John Giblin age 67 died Edinburgh 684/01 0027 ??

In 1871 census at 20 Pipe Street, Portobello, Edinburgh EH15,

John Giblin 62 b 1809 Ireland Paper Mill Labourer
Ann Giblin 22 b 1849 Ireland
Michael Giblin 18 b 1853 Ireland Carpenters Appr
James Giblin 16 b 1855 Ireland Paper Mill Labourer

In 1881 census, at 18 Pipe Street Lane, Portobello, Edinburgh

John Giblin 76 b 1805 Ireland Paper Mill Labourer
Ann Giblin 30 b 1851 Ireland general servant

Also in 1881 census, at 6 Bedford Street Edinburgh EH4

Michael Giblin 28 b 1853 Ireland Joiner
Mary A Giblin 24 b 1857 Georgia, USA
Jane A Giblin 6 b 1875 Edinburgh
John Giblin 4 b 1877 Edinburgh
James Giblin 2 b 1879 Edinburgh
Mary A Giblin 3 Mo 1881 Edinburgh

In 1891 census, at 6 Bedford Street Edinburgh EH4

Michael Giblin37 b 1853 Ireland Joiner
Mary A Giblin 34 b 1857 Georgia, USA
Jane A Giblin16 b 1875 Edinburgh Asst in Biscuit Factory
John Giblin 14 b 1877 Edinburgh scholar
James Giblin 12 b 1879 Edinburgh scholar
Mary Agnes Giblin 10 b 1881 Edinburgh scholar
Michael Giblin 8 b 1883 Edinburgh scholar
Elizabeth Giblin 5 b 1886 Edinburgh
Margaret Giblin 3 b 1888 Edinburgh
Mary Alice Giblin 11 Mo b 1890 Edinburgh

In 1901, transcribed as Gibbin, AT 18 Saunders Street, Edinburgh EH3

Michael Giblin48 b 1853 Ireland Joiner
Mary A Giblin 44 b 1857 Georgia, USA
Mary Agnes Giblin 20 b 1881 Edinburgh Dressmaker
Michael Giblin 18 b 1883 Edinburgh Appr Painter transcribed as “Brickall”
Elizabeth Giblin 15 b 1886 Edinburgh Shop Girl
Margaret Giblin 13 b 1888 Edinburgh Scholar
Mary Alice Giblin 10 b 1891 Edinburgh Scholar
George Giblin 8 b 1893 Edinburgh Scholar
Raymond P Gibbin 4 1897 Edinburgh
Ann Gibbin 55 b 1846 Ireland Sister Visitor


Hope this helps

Tom