Robert McLelland (or McClelland) cant find him pre-1861

[Ecneps]

My mistake, Harriet was 11 in 1851, will amend entry   

Good job you're on the case, Gadget 

[Gadget]

I can't find the marriage of maria Woofe either, Barbara, have tried the full register. I wonder if she married with her maiden name - would have to try one of the children's births, if so, or they might have married later. He could have been widowed and elder children from his first marriage. 

Interesting!

Gadget

PS - Barbara - I have McLelland/McLennan, etc. variations from KKD and I have lots of Shropshire roots 

[kiwijulia]

Sorry it's taken so long to reply - problems with the internet at home.
First - just being nosy - what's KKD?
Now to business:
His daughter is Rebecca (it's through her I found his name) and in 1861 when she is still at home his DOB is given as 1819 and occupation is tailor.

So the DOB ties in with the Officer of Exeris living in Argyll, in the 1841 Scot's census
BUT
The guy Alison found has a DOB of c1820 but is a Tailor and living in Shropshire in 1841. Hmmmm

Based on the fact I know the 1861 census is right (cause of his daughter) I can look at his wife's age as a check. She is stated as being born c1816 in Shiffnal - this tells me Barbara's 1851 census is right.

As a double check in 1861:
Elizabeth Mc Clelland 10 
John Mc Clelland 11   Trowbridge, Shropshire
Maria Mc Clelland 45 
Rebecca Mc Clelland 6 
Robert Mc Clelland 42  (born c 1819)
Robert Mc Clelland 16   Bridgeworth, Shropshire
William Mc Clelland 8 
Thos Woff 18 
 
This matches with 1851 as in 1851 they are 2 and 6.

Interestingly 1n 1851 his DOB is c1821 which matches with what Alison found but implies he got his age confused in 1861? (help - I'm getting confused now  )

His wife's DOB remains one year out which would be right if she were born between March 30th and April 7th (when the census were done in 1851 &1861 respectively).

Also I ordered the marriage cert for Robert McLelland and Maria in 1842 - I saw a problem straight away - they were only one year different in age (our couple has three years diff) - this lady was Maria Laye. The father on this cert is John McLelland - suggesting that the John and Anges found are the parents of somewhere else - BUT
my guy was born in wigtown (1861 census) and this guy was baptised there....
But as Gadget said - the wedding place ties in with the sons birthplace.

But if Thos Woff (son-in-law) and Harriet Woofe (dau) were due to mother Maria's first marriage (she IS older) maybe she did get married under her maiden name which would explain the absence of records. It is supported by your two possible deaths of Richard Woofe (first husband maybe?)

I'll let you ponder - and will order the marriage cert for Robert Lelland and Maria Nock. Lets hope there is a three year age gap!

Jules

[kiwijulia]

Sorry, by "they" are 2 and 6 I meant to say I was double checking the children against the 1851 census and Robert and John are consistent in age and order etc...

[Ecneps]

Occupation is Officer Of Exeris (anyone know what this is?)

Could this be excise officer - taxman?  or perhaps customs & excise??

Barbara

[kiwijulia]

 
The good news is - you are both so clever that you found the answer and didn't even know it. I now have these documents:

GRO Marriage Cert of 1842, Bridgnorth, Shropshire
Robert McLelland, Batchelor, (Tailor) - Father John McLelland (Currier)
Mary Laye, Spinster - father Edward Laye (Joiner)

Then Mary McLelland dies in 1846 (I didn't get death cert but her death is Indexed as registered in Q1 1847).

GRO Marriage Cert 1848, Wombridge, Shropshire (Salop)
Robert Lelland, Widower, (Tailor) father John Lelland (Victualler?)
Maria Nock, Widow, Father William Nock

and then!
Thomas Woofe birth certificate gives parents as
Richard Woof (saddler) and Maria Woof formerly Nock

And we already have two possible deaths for Richard Woof.

Thos Woff (Thomas Woofe) is listed as Robert McLellands step-son in one of the census records so this about confirms it I would think!

Don't know if there were any children by Mary Laye.

I couldn't have done it without all your fantastic help - now the next mission is to try and find his father (and mother).
There are a million John McLellands (various spellings) out there and although I know what a Currier is - I have no idea what the other occupation listed is only six years later.
Is there a website containing old job titles or anything?

The fact that Gadget found thisbaptism:
"6 December 1818 Robert McClelland parents - John McClelland and Agnes Gardner, Wigtown"
and we have two sources confirming his father as John and his DOB as 1818 tells me this is a good lead to follow.

Thanks again for the fantastic help - couldn't have done it without you - and you are teaching me tricks along the way. Julia

[Gadget]

Hi Julia 

Really very pleased for you. I need to take in your questions but would the 'currier' be a 'carrier' - some one who 'carries' goods on a wagon or cart?

Gadget

[kiwijulia]

Yeah, Carrier is possible but it def looks like a "u".
When I have a bit of time (maybe tonight) I will take a photo of it and attach it so you can have a look. xx

[Gadget]

Hi

The IGI also has the baptism of a Mary McClelland to the same couple, 2 July 1821, Wigtown.

Nothing else showing.



Gadget