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Kemps showmen from the midlands
« on: Tuesday 24 April 07 01:59 BST (UK) »
Hi My grandmother was catherine smart maiden name kemp. she was always known as katie kemp then kate smart. her sister was rose kemp married to bob wilson the wilson funfairs. Her brother was robert known as bob  kemp and his wife was minnie kemp. cant seem to find any thing on my gran except she died in bromsgrove  in 1986 at 83. she was catherine laura susanah kemp. i think she was born in Birmingham. Gran was a midlands showmans daughter . George smart was her first husband born in trowbridge wiltshire, she married his younger brother walter smart or chum as we knew him in 1962  5 yrs after grandad died.
any help on the kemps would be appreciated.
Regards Elaine.
ps named after minnies Daughter Elaine kemp.  ???

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Re: Kemps showmen from the midlands
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 24 April 07 02:46 BST (UK) »
Welcome to RootsChat

This is possibly your grandmother's birth reg (although names not in the order you have)
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Susannah Catherine L Kemp
Mar qtr 1904
Birmingham
6d 35

Sending for her birth cert would give parents names

Her marriage cert would give father's name and occupation

That information would help trace further back-without guesswork

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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England
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Re: Kemps showmen from the midlands
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 24 April 07 02:56 BST (UK) »
cheers suz,
 i dont know how imissed it.
Elaine.

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Re: Kemps showmen from the midlands
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 24 April 07 05:00 BST (UK) »
You are possibly a year out with gran's death

Death reg
Catherine Susanne L Smart
Oct 1987
Bromsgrove
age 83
d.o.b. 23 jan 1904
29 105

her d.o.b. fits in with the birth reg previously posted
seems like she used her names in different orders!

On complete index I can find no marriage to Walter in 1962.
How certain are you of the dates quoted???

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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England
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Re: Kemps showmen from the midlands
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 24 April 07 05:06 BST (UK) »
suz walter smart birth date was dec 1907 wiltshire .
Elaine.

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Re: Kemps showmen from the midlands
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 24 April 07 05:23 BST (UK) »
The only birth reg of Walter Smart I can find in 1907 is
Mar qtr 1907
Melksham Wilts
5a 119

have you got certificates for any of your dates -or are you relying on family memories????

When was your gran's eldest child born -this would give an idea of approx when her marriage took place -often children arrive within 1-2 years of marriage

Forgive me if you think I am asking too many questions, but if you get the dates wrong early on in research, you can very easily follow the wrong family

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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England
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Re: Kemps showmen from the midlands
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 24 April 07 05:28 BST (UK) »
suz thats walter he lived in melksham i have those certificates , but not the marriage cetificate for her first marriage to george smart born 1900 trowbridge. it was much easier for walter as he was alive when i met him but sadly my granddad died in 1957 1 yr before i was born and i never really asked nan about grandad as my uncle walter took his place.

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Re: Kemps showmen from the midlands
« Reply #7 on: Friday 27 April 07 23:46 BST (UK) »
Could this be George?
born in frome but living in Trowbridge at the age of 11mths ?
Also he has a sister Rose,   was Rose who married Bob Wilson possibly Rose Smart-not Rose Kemp? She could have been your gran's sister in law -not sister??????

1901
7 back St
Trowbridge
Wilts
Samuel Smart head 42 Dealer in Furniture Frome Somerset
Amy wife 36 Chippenham Wilts
Samuel son 11 Trowbridge Wilts
William son 8 Trowbridge Wilts
Rose daughter 6 Devises Wilts
Laurel daughter 2 Devizes Wilts
GEORGE son 11mths Frome Somerset
RG13 1932 122 23

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Re: Kemps showmen from the midlands
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 28 April 07 09:30 BST (UK) »
Hi thats all grandads brothers and sisters. rose was his sister , but my gran had a sister rose kemp.
thanks anyway.
Elaine.
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