john hall - clackmannan

[golfer]

born 1797 died 17 june 1860. clerk (coal weigher) for clackmannan coal company. parents thomas hall and jane malcolm. looking for wife margaret's family name and more info on their children. son robert bruce (master mariner) relocated to durham, england; son francis possibly relocated to canada from salsburgh lanarkshire; son john probably continued to remain in clackmannan.

[Hannah29]

Golfer

In the OPRs for Clackmannan there are 3 marriages for John Halls whose wives' forenames were Margaret. They are:

1. John Hall and Margaret McArthur. The entry says 'John Hall private in the Stirlingshire Militia and Margaret McArthur here proclaimed and married. 18 February 1808.'

2. John Hall and Margaret McNaughton both here proclaimed and married.  26 March 1820'

3. John Hall and Margaret McDiarmid both here proclaimed 24 October 1824.'

A Francis Hall was baptised on 24 February 1824. The entry says ' John Hall s maker and Margaret McArthure had a lawful son B Francis'. I'd guess  's maker' is shoe maker.

For Robert, the entry says ' John Hall and Margaret McArthur had a lawful son baptised Robert'. That was on 18  October 1826.

Hannah

[Hannah29]

P S

No sign of a John in the index.

Hannah

[golfer]

Hannah. Thank you very much for your efforts. I am finding so many John, Margaret and Francis Halls in and around Clackmannan. I don't think your three Margaret's are connected. Frustrating. The 1841 Clackmannan census identifies parents John and Margaret Hall, children Francis (b. 1829) and Robert Bruce (b. 1833). My gggrandfather Francis Hall was born 1829 Clackmannan and his Canadian death registration named his father as John. I suspect Margaret's family name is Thomson b. abt 1795 but cannot verify this. Unfortunately neither Francis' or John's death certificates names a mother or wife. Informant on John's death certicate was a son named John. Cheers, Golfer.

[runningbear]

hi pal,

1841 census- town of clackmannan

john...age 43...coal weigher
margaret...age 46
francis...age 12
robert b...age 8

1851 census- high street, clackmannan

john...age 53...coal weigher
margaret...age 56...born kinnoul, perth

1851 census- 18 salsburgh, shotts (lodging with thomas marshall)

francis...age 21...shoe-maker

1861 census- 24 high street, clackmannan

margaret...age 63...pauper...born dunning perth


wonder who registered her death in 1868 clackmannan?

robert married sarah hood 3rd quarter 1859 sunderland

1861 census- 26 laurence street, bishop wearmouth

robert...age 28...miner
sarah...age 27

1871 census- canada

francis....shoe-maker

1871 census- bishop wearmouth

sarah...age 38...mariner's wife
mary j...age 9
john j...age 8
margaret a...age 5
catherine patterson...visitor...age 42
john patterson...visitor...age 10

1881 census- 8 bramwell street, bishop wearmouth

robert...age 48...master mariner
sarah...age 48
mary...age 19
margaret...age 15
john patterson...nephew...age 20...joiner's apprentice

looks like your robert died 1884 aged 52

1891 census- 8 bramwell st, bishop wearmouth

sarah...age 57...widow
mary...age 29
margaret...age 25

1901 census- jackson street, bishop wearmouth

sarah...age 68
mary...age 38
margaret...age 34
winifred...daughter-in-law...age 20...born sandhurst kent


Joe

[runningbear]

hi pal,

thomas hall married jean malcolm 19/12/1794

hall children showing up on the igi's

thomas...christened...13/12/1795
john...born...15/8/1797
janet...born...3/8/1799
jean...born...16/7/1802
james...christened...9/3/1805
elizabeth...christened...9/3/1805


Joe

[golfer]

Thanx Joe. Questions: Is 1851 census Margaret(Kinnoul) and the 1861 Margaret (Dunning) the same person? Where did you find her death of 1868? Do you know her maiden name? Where did you find Robert's death of 1884? Hope I'm not asking too much. Cheers, Ray.

[patvp1]

Hi Golfer - Not sure that this is of any help, am also looking for Francis Hall bap 16 Oct 1830 Clacks..
His parents were Thomas Hall and Christian Moir, they were married 06 Dec 1818 Clacks.. children were.
James 1825 , Francis 1830, Christian 1821, Edward 1823, Edward 1828 (my g/g/grandfather) Jean 1832 and Thomas 1819.  All born Clacks.  Like u have come to a dead end with Francis, will just have another look at my files.  Patvp

[patvp1]

Hi - just checked .. Thomas Hall and Jean Malcolm married 19 Dec 1794..children Thomas 1795, John 1797, Janet 1799.
Confusin ain't it .LOL looks as tho'we may be connected in some way, if u send me your e.mail adds will try and sort it out..regards Patvp
usual story came on here to query something else and got side tracked...