Le Patourel help!!!

[SimoneLe]

Hi All!
I'm tracing my husbands family,
Looking for any info on Jean (John) Le Patourel (b/a) 1841  married Elizabeth ((Betsy) Hammon (b/a) 1839
Children : Alice Grace
                John Peter
                Selina
                Leonore Maria
                Harriet Rachel - her first child- Joseph Eli Le Patourel - fathered by her father.
Jean's fathers name was possibly Pierre.
Also any info on Le Patourel would be help full I have a lot but need to fill in the blanks.

[RosieJ]

Hiya 

Do you have all the census information? i can look up if needed.
Also, which island are the family from?

Best wishes
Rowena

[SimoneLe]

Hi Rowena.
I've now got what i need on Jean except who his parents are. Jean (John) was born 1841 so i'm assuming his parents were born about 1800. The main family is from Guernsey. Also looking for info om Joseph born 1894 married Isabel Le Gallez on 19/9/1918 but noone seems to be able to find them I'm wanting to know of other children.
Any help is much appreciated as i can only accesss the 1881 census.

Thanks Simone.

[RosieJ]

Hi Simone

Looking on the census returns, I'm not sure if this might be your guy:

1841 Census
Le Catel, Guernsey (HO107/1460, p27)

Rachel Queripel  Charwoman  55  Born in same Island
James Queripel  20  Born same island
Nicolas Queripel  15  "
Pierre Robert  15  "
Jean Le Patourel  1  "
Elizth Robert  7  "

1851 Census   (HO107/2531, f139, p21)
Croute, Vale, Guernsey

Rachel Queripel  Head  Widow  69  Pauper  born Guernsey, St Peter's du Bois
John Le Patounel  Grandson  12  Papuer  born Guernsey, Catel

1861 Census (RG9/4377, f18, p2)
Le Catel, Guernsey

Rachel Queripel  Head  Widow  79  Charwoman  born Guernsey, St Peter's du Bois
Rachel Queripel  Daur  Unmar  58  Charwoman  born Guernsey, Le Catel
Selina Marghard  Grandaur  Unmar  16  Servant  born Guernsey, Le Catel
Jean Le Patounel  Grandson  Unmar  22  A Lab  born Guernsey, Le Catel

Also, on the 1871 Jean and Elizabeth are married and there are 3 stepsons listed - Francis B Lilly, Joseph C Lilly and Charles W Lilly. So looks like Elizabeth was married before?!

Hope this is of some help to you and hasn't confused you further!! 

It might be worth doing a seperate post for a birth look-up for Jean?
Rowena

[SimoneLe]

Hi Rowena.
Yes i've seen this info and yes i got confused. i can only guess that Jeans mother was named Rachel also, She must have been widowed in 1841 also. I do know that Jean's father was named Pierre.
Well i'm really confused.
1841 is about right for the jean i'm looking for....but who's the mum?Rachel jr or snr?
Yes Elizabeth was married before Jean.
ok I think that Rachel jn is the mother of Jean and Selina in 1861 census John in 1851 is Jean as in the same as 1841 as they don't say what relation they are in 1841 its hard. But where does Le Patourel name come into it?
hmmmmmmmmm if you get any more please post.

Thanks heaps Simone.

[RosieJ]

Yes I would also assume that Rachel Jnr is his mother, but as the census says she was unmarried, I guess that Jean's surname came from his father.  Looking at the original 1861 return it says ' son to daur' (Rachel Jnr being the daur). And there is something in brackets that begins with ill-  which could be an abreviation for illegitimate?

I can't seem to find Rachel Jnr on 1841 or 51, so goodness knows where she was then! No Pierre Le Patourel's come up either, but there is a Peter living in St Martin in 1841. 

[SimoneLe]

Hi Rosie.
That it may well be that he was illegitimate, the years right. Is Peter aka for Pierre? The age for Rachel Snr is wrong on the 1841 census - 4 years missing.
Where would i post to see if anyone could do a BMD search for that era?
Thanks Simone.

P.S. any idea what a Charwoman was/is?

[RosieJ]

Yes, Pierre is the French version of Peter.  Rachel's age could either be an enumerator error or sometimes they rounded ages up or down, so they are not always entirely accurate.

Apparently a charwoman was an 'odd job' woman, who usually did cleaning type jobs. If you Google the phrase 'old occupations' you'll find some useful websites.

You could try posting on the Channels Islands lookup requests, but if that doesn't work you're probably only likely to get it through contacting the Societe de Guernesiaise (PO Box 134, St Peter Port, Guernsey, GY1 3TG, www.societe.org.gg) or paying for the research service a Priaulx Library

Sorry I can't be of anymore help - I've got a subscription to Ancestry but they only have the CI census info not BMD - but would love to hear if you get any further as your tree is rather intriguing with the illegitimacy and possible incest!!

[RosieJ]

Have just found someone on the internet offering Le Patourel family BMD look-ups! He's called Eric Le Maitre and I found him on rootsweb.com. His e-mail is eric.lemaitre@btopenworld.com

 hope this leads somewhere!