Help with HELPS family please

[teddybear1843]

Hi All

William Helps married Mary Leedham in 1835 in Leicester and had at least eight children. (Census.)

We can find the baptisms and marriages of four of them but the others have just disappeared.

The family were in the St Margarets/All Saints areas but they are being a bit of a problem to locate.

Any others researching the same family?  Any ideas of where to look next?   Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks


Teddy
 

[janmoore]

the kind and knowledgable Uncle Mike might ride to your rescue - he has lots of info that he generously shares.

Jan

[Mike from Leicester]

Greeting’s & welcome….. Teddy.

Is this the Family we are after ?

1841. HO 107 / 605 / Bk. 3 / Vol. 13 / Page. 18.
Leicester.
All Saints Parish.

North – gate Street.
William Helps. 40.
Mary. 30.
William. 5.
Mary Ann. 3.
Hannah. 1.
All Born within the County
But William Head. NOT Born within the Country.

1851. Census HO 107 / 2089 / 524 / 17.
Leicester.
St. Margaret’s Parish.
No.4, Old Mill Lane. :~

William   Helps   Head   M   54   M   Coal Yard Lab   War   Foleshill
Mary   Helps   Wife   M   42   F   Seamier & Housewife   Lei   Leicester
William   Helps   Son   U   14   M   Lab At Anything   Lei   Leicester
Mary Ann   Helps   Dau      12   F   At Home   Lei   Leicester
Hannah   Helps   Dau      10   F   At Home   Lei   Leicester
Charles   Helps   Son      8   M   At Home   Lei   Leicester
John   Helps   Son      6   M   At Home   Lei   Leicester
Thomas   Helps   Son      2   M   At Home   Lei   Leicester
Elizabeth   Helps   Dau      4 Days   F   At Home   Lei   Leicester

Indexed as ALPS
1861. Census RG 9 / 2297. / 94 / Page. 30.
Plus three  others :~
2295 / 117 / Page. 2 = John Alps  Patient. Infirmary

2297 / 95 / Page 31.  = Hannah. Helps
2298 / 13 / Page 22 = William Helps.

Marriages Found :~
ALL St. Margaret’s Parish Church Leicester.
Entry No.101,  DEC 27, 1873, after Banns
JOHN PEGG, 29, Bachelor. FINISHER, of NEEDLE GATE,
Son. of JOSEPH PEGG, FWK
EMMA HELPS, 21, Spinster. of NEEDLE GATE
Daughter. of WILLIAM HELPS, FWK
Wits: JAMES PEGG, EMMA PEGG,

Entry No.437,  MAY 16, 1869, after Banns
JOHN HELPS, 21, Bachelor. LABOURER, of NORTHGATE St,
Son. of WILLIAM HELPS, LABOURER
SARAH CARTER, 18, Spinster. of NORTHGATE St,
Daughter. of BENJAMIN CARTER, SWEEP
Wits: CHARLES HELPS, ELIZABETH HELPS.

Entry No.337,  DEC 27, 1859, on Superintendent Registrar's Certificate
WILLIAM THORPE, 23, Bachelor. LABORER, of NEEDLE GATE,
Son. of WILLIAM THORPE, LABORER
MARY HELPS, 22, Spinster. of NEEDLE GATE
Daughter. of WILLIAM HELPS, LABORER
Wits: JOHN DAVENPORT, ANN DAVENPORT.

Entry No.324,  AUG 24, 1862, after Banns
WILLIAM HELPS, 24, Bachelor. LABORER, of SANVEY GATE,
Son. of WILLIAM HELPS, BOATMAN
PRUDENCE BATES, 20, Spinster. of SANVEY GATE,
Daughter. of THOMAS BATES, MALSTER
Wits: WILLIAM WRIGHT, SARAH WRIGHT.


Possible Burials for Helps All Welford Road Cemetery
 
N   1523   C   HELPS   Mary   1859   Dec   25   53   Needle-gate   All Saints   8296
A   849   C   HELPS   William   1865   Jan   2   62   Leicester Union House   Saint Margaret   15063
Q   1220   C   HELPS   Thomas   1897   May   22   46   Archdeacon Lane   Leicester   81062
F   39   C   HELPS   Louisa Elizabeth   1887   Oct   1   40   Bradgate Street   Saint Leonard   28885
F   39   F   HELPS   John   1888   Mar   24   42   Bradgate Street   Saint Leonard   29438
The last two in Consecrated Ground.
The rest in Un Consecrated Ground.

I think due to the early years for births
it’s down to trawling through Parish Registers

I did wonder if William was married before ?
Spotted this Marriage :~
William Helps. ~ Mary Butler.
St. Margaret’s Church.
27th. July. 1828. By Banns.

Hope this is of some help.
Back latter tonight

MIKE.

[teddybear1843]

Wow,

Thanks Mike, that is really great.

I will look through the information and see what I can make of it all.  I had thought that William had probably married before, but I need to see the original 1835 entry to see if he was a Widower.

Do you know what the workhouse records are like for Leicester? 

Thanks so much.

Teddy

If you need any help in Norfolk please do ask!

 

[Mike from Leicester]

Greeting's Again Teddy....

Just trawling through early burials.......
for the five principal Churches of the time ....

I think we may be on the right track regarding
William having been married twice
Found this interesting Record for

St. Margaret's Parish Church :~

HELPS   MARY. 7th. MAY. 1833. Aged. 28.

MIKE.

[teddybear1843]

Thanks again Mike

Do you have a transcript of all registers for Leicester?

I think we need to check the workhouse records next to see if there are any clues there for William.

Many thanks again.

Teddy
 

[Mike from Leicester]

Greeting’s again. ……. Teddy.

Allow me to look at those Parish Marriage Registers entries 1828 & 1835.
for William This week at the Records Office then report back here. 

Whilst I’m there I can ask about Medical Records / Admission reports
For the Union House re 1861 ~ 65.
I know some ( c 1900’s ) Medical / Admission reports ( Hard copies )
are held in the strong Room.
But I understand they can only be read by Head Record Office staff.
Who at a price then type the reports up and send them on to those who have requested them ( Bona fide  next of kin )

MIKE.

[Mike from Leicester]

Greeting’s Again Teddy……..

I had a look for both of the Marriages for William 1828 & 1835.

But could not locate them I’ll have another go next week. ……

I did find these three Baptism Entries though.

All Saints Parish Church Baptism Registers
Read thus :~

ANNO DOMINI BAPTISM :~ 1840.

Page. 19.

Entry No. 148.
7th. June.
Mary Ann. Daughter of William & Mary Helps.
Causeway Lane.
Father’s Occupation. Labourer.
Geo. Barker. Curate.

Entry No. 149.
7th. June.
Hannah Daughter of William & Mary Helps.
Causeway Lane.
Father’s Occupation. Labourer.
Geo. Barker. Curate.

So……. Double Baptism then
But I think Mary was 3 years old & Hannah few months old.

If the following birth G.R.O. Index Records are right.

April Qrt. 1838. Mary Ann Helps. Leicester. Cert No.:~  XV 129.
April Qrt. 1840. Hannah Helps. Leicester. Cert No. :~ XV. 119.

ANNO DOMINI BAPTISM :~ 1842.

Page. 30.
Entry No. 240.
5th. February.
Charles. Son of William & Mary Helps.
Kent Street.
Fathers Occupation. Coal Hauler.
Geo. Barker. Curate.

G.R.O. Index Records
April Qrt. 1842. Charles Helps. Leicester. Cert No. XV. 110. 

But then NO sign of the others in either
St. Margaret’s, 1835 ~ 45.
 or All Saints 1837 ~ 57.
But I will continue the search next time

Re:~  Medical /Admission Records for St. Margaret’s Union House. c.1862.

Only the Records of the minutes of Committee meetings held.
Personal Records for inmates did not come into force till 1880.

Sorry. ……..

MIKE.