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Re: Moffat & Scott - a puzzle which is driving me nutty
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 26 May 07 22:50 BST (UK) »
You're getting very close to solving this puzzle, Julie. I await the next installment  :)

I'd like to see if Alice fits in anywhere  :)

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Re: Moffat & Scott - a puzzle which is driving me nutty
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 27 May 07 10:05 BST (UK) »
Julie

Just a thought - likely that the Elizabeth Yeoman b. 1827 may have died. She doesn't show on any of the censuses that I could see. More importantly, Janet Moffat used the first name again with the birth of Elizabeth Scott.

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Re: Moffat & Scott - a puzzle which is driving me nutty
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 27 May 07 10:10 BST (UK) »
I think you are right, Monica. I can't find Elizabeth at all.


Am trying  Wihelmina Yeoman in 1871 onwards, when she was married to Malcolm Clark.

So far no sign

Also, I looked at the family that Wilhelmina was staying with in 1841.   The Jacksons.  There is a marriage of James Jackson and Jane Moffat 22 May 1834, Langholm.  How can I find out if this Jane Jackson nee Moffat is one of John Moffat and Jean Carson's offspring?

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BELL;TWEEDIE;PITTILLO/PATTILLO;WATSON;JOHNSTONE;PALMER;MOFFAT:DOBIE;BEATTIE:-Dumfrieshire<br />HYSLOP;MANSON;CURRIE;JAMIESON;BEATTIE:-Ayr<br />HOOKER;DYSON;SEABROOKE;DYER;DREWELL;STOCKWELL;CRIPPS;-London<br />DEVOS:London, Belguim
BENDALL-Bristol<br />WOODEN/WOODIN;JARRETT-Surrey<br />MURCH;HARRIS;POPE:-Devon QUARM-Devon,London,Anywhere<br />RUMBLE;HIBBERD;-Wilts
MARTIN - Dorset,Somerset;
PITTUCK/PITTOCK:-Suffolk.
WILSON;BARNEY;WINDES/WINDERS;ELLIS - Yorkshire;MARSTON;HALLAM - Notts;

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Re: Moffat & Scott - a puzzle which is driving me nutty
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 27 May 07 12:44 BST (UK) »
Julie

These are the children showing to Malcolm Clark and Mina Yeoman following their marriage in 1868:

1. WILLIAM YEOMAN CLARK Birth: 20 MAY 1869 Saint Mungo, Dumfries, Scotland
2. ELIZABETH YEOMAN CLARK   Birth: 05 FEB 1871 Saint Mungo, Dumfries, Scotland
3. MALCOLM CLARK  Birth: 26 APR 1873 Milton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
4. MALCOLM CLARK Birth: 15 JUL 1874 Milton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

From these dates you would think they would most likely be in St Mungo for the 1871 census before a move to Glasgow, but I couldn't easily see them.

In respect of Jean Jackson (Moffat), the best verification would probably be through her death cert. There is this death entry on SP which hopefully will be hers:

1868   JACKSON   JEAN       MOFFAT   F   58   MIDDLEBIE/DUMFRIES   841/00 0025

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Re: Moffat & Scott - a puzzle which is driving me nutty
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 27 May 07 12:53 BST (UK) »
Jane/Jean Jackson is still living at Shaw in Langholm for the 1861 Census with husband James and family. Her birth place is showing as Tundergrath, as Janet Moffat Yeoman did which is a good sign  ;). Her age for the census is 53, ie. born c. 1808.

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Re: Moffat & Scott - a puzzle which is driving me nutty
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 27 May 07 13:05 BST (UK) »
Found also Malcolm and Mina in 1871, spellings as transcribed  ::):

Malcom Clerk    37, gamekeeper, b. Alace, Invernesshire
Wiliemerna Clerk 33, b. Ewes
John Clerk    6, daughter (!) b. Innte, Invernesshire
Mary Ann Clerk    5, b. Innte, Invernesshire
William Emma Clerk 1, son, b. St Mungo
Elizabeth Clerk 1 Mo, b. St Mungo
Isabella Halliday 17, dom. serv.
William Johnston 30, gamekeeper
Charles Sanderson 22, gamekeeper

Address: Keeper Cottage, St Mungo

The first couple of children indicate a likely first marriage for Malcom. Did he show as widower on his MC?

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Monica
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Re: Moffat & Scott - a puzzle which is driving me nutty
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 27 May 07 13:13 BST (UK) »
Birth entry for Mary Ann Clark and likely name for Malcolm's first wife:

MARY ANN CLARK  Birth: 15 APR 1865  Kingussie And Insch, Inverness, Scotland
Parents: Father: MALCOLM CLARK    Mother: GRACE ROBERTSON

There is also an entry for a Jessie (2 actually so likely the first daughter died). Would explain the 'daughter' following the John in 1871 if this has been mistranscribed and should actually read Jessie on the original image):

1. JESSIE CLARK  Birth: 16 APR 1862 Kirkmichael, Banff, Scotland
2. JESSIE CLARK Birth: 11 APR 1864 Kingussie And Insch, Inverness, Scotland

The marriage for Malcolm and Grace shows on 15 NOV 1861 Abernethy And Kincardine, Moray, Scotland.

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Monica
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Re: Moffat & Scott - a puzzle which is driving me nutty
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 27 May 07 16:21 BST (UK) »
Thanks Monica.  :D
Yes Malcolm Clark was a widower on his marriage to Wihelmina.

I got Jean Jackson's death cert. Her parents were John Moffat, joiner, deceased and Jean Moffat m.s. Kershaw, deceased.  The informant was Jean Jackson's husband, so not suprising if he got his mother-in-laws maiden name wrong.
BELL;TWEEDIE;PITTILLO/PATTILLO;WATSON;JOHNSTONE;PALMER;MOFFAT:DOBIE;BEATTIE:-Dumfrieshire<br />HYSLOP;MANSON;CURRIE;JAMIESON;BEATTIE:-Ayr<br />HOOKER;DYSON;SEABROOKE;DYER;DREWELL;STOCKWELL;CRIPPS;-London<br />DEVOS:London, Belguim
BENDALL-Bristol<br />WOODEN/WOODIN;JARRETT-Surrey<br />MURCH;HARRIS;POPE:-Devon QUARM-Devon,London,Anywhere<br />RUMBLE;HIBBERD;-Wilts
MARTIN - Dorset,Somerset;
PITTUCK/PITTOCK:-Suffolk.
WILSON;BARNEY;WINDES/WINDERS;ELLIS - Yorkshire;MARSTON;HALLAM - Notts;

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Re: Moffat & Scott - a puzzle which is driving me nutty
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 27 May 07 20:20 BST (UK) »
Julie

From Jean Jackson's DC, can you at least connect it to your family with the occupation showing for John Moffat father (Joiner)?

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Monica
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